RDM/RNK make it good

[ManaKing]

This.

Unless RNF provides some form of DWIII by 49 (for a job that specializes in Great Swords...) then it's not going to do more damage then RDM/NIN. I then went forth to explain how much DW increases your damage. Then afterward someone stupidly mentioned that "Enspell II" would be where the damage increase would be, I explained how woefully inadequate they are, in any context. Seeing as RDM/RNF would not have DW, we are needing a 5~6x increase in damage from Enspell II's (150~180 per hit) for it to come anywhere close to a RDM/NIN.

It might have a nifty JA or spell that becomes situational, similar to /PLD and /BLU, but for actual damage it's RDM/NIN or bust right now. Courtesy of barance bros.

Saevel, we are in complete agreement that RDM/NIN is what you are supposed to be doing to do the best DD we can. BUT that isn't what I was asking about on the topic for RDM/RNF and what can we steal from it. I'm asking what RDM/RNF could offer to make us want to use it.

People use RDM/DNC because it can proc in dynamis. I personally wouldn't use it anywhere else right now, because you lose a ton of damage and TP, not to mention useful Ninja Magic. It works in dynamis because you need to proc more than you need to kill quickly. After you're done procing, you probably have some steps and you can reverse flourish and WS and it's nifty. But outside of that kind of scenario, it loses every time to RDM/NIN because the step system on /DNC is at half potency. RDM/DNC only has functionality because SE made content that it can exceed RDM/NIN in functionality, outside of that, RDM/NIN wins every time because you get more DW and Ninja magic that works.

My current mindset is that, hopefully, SE gives us a system of enfeebling that actually benefits RDM because of what they can offer in the department of lowering magic evasion. Death Blossom, Enspell 2s, and access to Impact are all available. You can go RDM/NIN for Ninja Magic or you can also go RDM/DNC and use stutter step as options to further lower evasion.

What can RDM/RNF offer that can come anywhere close to this? I don't know, but I don't want RDM/RNF to have a meh niche roll like /DNC currently does.

[SpankWustler]

"Development Bro A looks at a translated note and asks a colleague, 'Wait, so, the goal is to make things good?' with earnest curiosity.

Development Bro B, as well as Development Bro C who overhears half the sentence from across the room, begin laughing uncontrollably. They laugh until they wet themselves. They laugh until the contents of their bowels pours into their slacks and wets their socks.

They laugh until they injure vital things inside of themselves.

They are still laughing as they are loaded into an ambulance.

The next day, Development Bro B calls the office and asks to be put on speaker phone in the meeting room. He slowly and deliberately says 'Tactical Guard,' then he hangs up the phone.

A look of profound realization overtakes the face of Development Bro A. Thinking back to the sickening memory of smothering his terminally ill mother with a pillow at her request, Development Bro A finds inspiration for Rune Fencer's job traits and abilities."

And that makes no sense but I feel it is a very accurate description of how the finer points of new jobs are designed, probably because it makes no sense.

I wouldn't expect Rune Fencer to be a very useful sub-job for Red Mage or a very useful anything for at least six months after its debut, if literally all jobs introduced with Treasures of Aht Ughan and Wings of the Goddess are anything to go by.

All I'm saying, I guess, is it's best to have very low hopes for what brand new jobs will accomplish, even as sub-jobs. So low that they're more like fears.

[ManaKing]

I dislike that I can't just make a statement like, 'well i'm sure they learned from their previous releases how to better roll out new jobs' without a large amount of apprehension.

[Scuro]

lol we all know that its going to be all about RNK/RDM, because everybody subs it but never mains it. Its like that girl that puts out but you never want to invite over for special occasions. That would be RDM. ;-)