[Dev] PS2 User Poll

[RAIST]

Please... just drop the PS3 port debate. This was asked and answered by SE back when they announced FF14. Can't remember it exactly, but you may find it out there translated on one of the blogs at E3 or something (think it was 2009?).

Basically, the panel explained when they explored the prospect of bringing an MMO to the PS3, they wanted to make it the best they could, in comparison to the current market. Note the key point there....the best compared to everyone else at the time. This was nearly a DECADE after FFXI's development started---the genre had a LOT more expected of games now. They decided it would be best to develop a NEW GAME, with new mechanics, new features---in general, a new way of doing things to compete with what was considered the new norm in the genre.

Porting FFXI, even with a complete new graphics engine, would NOT accomplish this goal. So, they decided to make a new game for the PS3 . They have made it quite clear multiple times that they were committed to investing the resources into a NEW GAME for the PS3 console instead of trying to rehash FFXI into a v2.0 launch just for the PS3

Just think of the mess that would have created in 2010. SE announces a new FFXI that (due to hardware constraints) could ONLY be played on the PS3, PC, and XB360, and that PS2 support would completely end soon. Even if they extended PS2 support for like 1 year after FFXI v2.0 launches, you would have a crapstorm of kickback from these die-hard PS2 users because they would have to buy a new platform to play on....wait....isn't that what's going on now? Well except that they can STILL PLAY ON THE PS2 (just not SoA outside JP client)....

Seems like either way, PS2 users would eventually get kicked to the curb in some fashion, as the console ages and is eventually phased out of the market itself. At least this way, you still have the option of continuing to play the older 10 years worth of content on your beloved PS2.

Be thankful for that at least....it could be MUCH worse.

[Cljader1]

Basically, the panel explained when they explored the prospect of bringing an MMO to the PS3, they wanted to make it the best they could, in comparison to the current market. Note the key point there....the best compared to everyone else at the time. This was nearly a DECADE after FFXI's development started---the genre had a LOT more expected of games now. They decided it would be best to develop a NEW GAME, with new mechanics, new features---in general, a new way of doing things to compete with what was considered the new norm in the genre.

Porting FFXI, even with a complete new graphics engine, would NOT accomplish this goal. So, they decided to make a new game for the PS3 . They have made it quite clear multiple times that they were committed to investing the resources into a NEW GAME for the PS3 console instead of trying to rehash FFXI into a v2.0 launch just for the PS3

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

FFIV is a brilliant game, you can't expect FFXIV to be as tuned as FFXI as it hasn't been out 10 years to tune itself out, not that I'd call FFXI that anyway.

That said, they will do ANYTHING to make FFXIV popular for a few reasons.

1. They paid a fortune for it.
2. It has MUCH more room to grow.
3. It isn't 10 years old and dying.

[Cljader1]

FFIV is a brilliant game, you can't expect FFXIV to be as tuned as FFXI as it hasn't been out 10 years to tune itself out, not that I'd call FFXI that anyway.

That said, they will do ANYTHING to make FFXIV popular for a few reasons.

1. They paid a fortune for it.
2. It has MUCH more room to grow.
3. It isn't 10 years old and dying.

Are you sure its good, I have a couple of LS members come back after playing ffxiv for over a year. I asked them "Why you come back" and they told me they finished all the content in ffxiv and that ffxi is a better MMO and more challenging. No doubt ffxiv looks pretty and I'm thankful is going to launch on ps3, but I do hope SE revisit their stance on ffxi for ps3. A lot of people, like me, don't like pc gaming and furthermore don't want to chuck out the bucks for a 360 just to get one game. It would be worth SE time too launch ffxi on ps3 alot of people would buy it especially all the current ps2 users

[FrankReynolds]

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

I hate PC gaming too. You can get controllers that are exactly the same lay out as PS2, or even get a connector to actually use the PS2 controller on the computer. I don't like playing anything with a mouse and keyboard so I don't use the keyboard for anything but chat in game. I control everything with my 360 controller. It is just like playing on the console, only with better graphics.

[RAIST]

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

Obviously, you dind't get the point.

SE has made it clear they have no desire to port the decade old FFXI to the PS3. They want FFXIV to be the MMO title built specifically for that platform. They are NOT going to invest in a re-write for FFXI for the PS3. They didn't even do that for the XB360--at it's core, it's the same game across all three platforms, only different versions of the wrapper (ie, POL client) specific to the platform.

To make FFXI run on the PS3, currently all that is needed is compliant emulation--so, technically it can already run on the PS3 and SE does not feel it is worthy of a rewrite for a whole new shell to run it on the PS3, as there is already a means to do it.

Edit:
And as Frank said...PC gaming or console gaming....the experience is more or less the same when it comes to FFXI, with the exception of better quality graphics (and soon, more up to date UI features). I have played FFXI on my PC with a PS2 controller since day one. There are even PC controllers that emulate PS2 (Logitech, MadCats, several companies have them).

Edit2:
And again.. you keep coming back to your PC not being built for gaming. Just what exactly about your PC is holding you back from being able to play FFXI? You keep saying that, yet you have yet to state this specifically. It doesn't take a gaming rig to run FFXI. Intel Graphics have been able to run FFXI for almost 8 years now. It can run on netbook ffs....most any an APU system from the past 4 years or so can run it. My IBM laptop (an office machine, mind you, built solely to demo mock websites and apps on it) would be able to run it if I only had a better ATI card in it. If I still had access to the office's docking station, I could drop in one of my old PCI cards and run the game--it meets all the specs except for proper hardware TNL support.

FFXI will run on a PENTIUM III System. We are talking about technology that was in the mainstream BEFORE FFXI was released for PC (P3-800 MHz were released in 1999). So, again....just what is it about your system that prevents it from being capable of running FFXI?

[Cljader1]

Obviously, you dind't get the point.

SE has made it clear they have no desire to port the decade old FFXI to the PS3. They want FFXIV to be the MMO title built specifically for that platform. They are NOT going to invest in a re-write for FFXI for the PS3. They didn't even do that for the XB360--at it's core, it's the same game across all three platforms, only different versions of the wrapper (ie, POL client) specific to the platform.

To make FFXI run on the PS3, currently all that is needed is compliant emulation--so, technically it can already run on the PS3 and SE does not feel it is worthy of a rewrite for a whole new shell to run it on the PS3, as there is already a means to do it.

Edit:
And as Frank said...PC gaming or console gaming....the experience is more or less the same when it comes to FFXI, with the exception of better quality graphics (and soon, more up to date UI features). I have played FFXI on my PC with a PS2 controller since day one. There are even PC controllers that emulate PS2 (Logitech, MadCats, several companies have them).

Edit2:
And again.. you keep coming back to your PC not being built for gaming. Just what exactly about your PC is holding you back from being able to play FFXI? You keep saying that, yet you have yet to state this specifically. It doesn't take a gaming rig to run FFXI. Intel Graphics have been able to run FFXI for almost 8 years now. It can run on netbook ffs....most any an APU system from the past 4 years or so can run it. My IBM laptop (an office machine, mind you, built solely to demo mock websites and apps on it) would be able to run it if I only had a better ATI card in it. If I still had access to the office's docking station, I could drop in one of my old PCI cards and run the game--it meets all the specs except for proper hardware TNL support.

FFXI will run on a PENTIUM III System. We are talking about technology that was in the mainstream BEFORE FFXI was released for PC (P3-800 MHz were released in 1999). So, again....just what is it about your system that prevents it from being capable of running FFXI?

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't buy my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA. Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

[FrankReynolds]

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA. Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

Say what???

[Reiterpallasch]

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA.

And we keep asking wtf you're using that can't handle a 10 year old game, yet you still have no response other than "it can't play it". So again, how bout those PC specs to back up your claims that you can't run it on the PC?

Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

No it's not.

[Cljader1]

And we keep asking wtf you're using that can't handle a 10 year old game, yet you still have no response other than "it can't play it". So again, how bout those PC specs to back up your claims that you can't run it on the PC?

It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.