[Dev] PS2 User Poll

[Demon6324236]

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid. No matter what you aren't gonna get the type of update you want even if they remove all support and put it on only PC. ps2 players have been just as dedicated to this game as any pc players if not more so. So seriously all the people playing on PC need to get off their damn high horse and leave PS2 players alone.

Nothing about being on high horses. Simple way to say it, been 10 years, its on a 12 year old console. You can only keep things alive on outdated things for so long before they become a hindrance. People can upgrade, and if they are gamers should have upgraded by now. By the end of the next 2 years we should see a new gen on consoles, meaning the PS2 will be 2 gens behind. Games for it are mostly not sold in stores, the console is dying and it is generally time to move on, FFXI is probably the only game still even alive on PS2.

I love the PS2, I got it when it came out and played it for 9 years as my only system I ever really played, then I went to Xbox 360 around 3 years ago, I still play PS2 but I accept the system is old and dying, and I expect nothing good to come of this game keeping it around. If they were to say now that FFXI will be alive for 5 more years, I would expect them to drop all PS2s in the next year or 2 then move on and possible support another console when releasing a pack with all the expansions.

[Cljader1]

Nothing about being on high horses. Simple way to say it, been 10 years, its on a 12 year old console. You can only keep things alive on outdated things for so long before they become a hindrance. People can upgrade, and if they are gamers should have upgraded by now. By the end of the next 2 years we should see a new gen on consoles, meaning the PS2 will be 2 gens behind. Games for it are mostly not sold in stores, the console is dying and it is generally time to move on, FFXI is probably the only game still even alive on PS2.

I love the PS2, I got it when it came out and played it for 9 years as my only system I ever really played, then I went to Xbox 360 around 3 years ago, I still play PS2 but I accept the system is old and dying, and I expect nothing good to come of this game keeping it around. If they were to say now that FFXI will be alive for 5 more years, I would expect them to drop all PS2s in the next year or 2 then move on and possible support another console when releasing a pack with all the expansions.

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

[RAIST]

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

Perhaps because doing so would require them to write a completely new wrapper and have to deal with the SAME limitations nested in the core code (it would be doing the same thing it is doing now). They aren't going to do a full rewrite of the game JUST for the PS3 and it's hardware environment at this late stage of the game.

[Cljader1]

Perhaps because doing so would require them to write a completely new wrapper and have to deal with the SAME limitations nested in the core code (it would be doing the same thing it is doing now). They aren't going to do a full rewrite of the game JUST for the PS3 and it's hardware environment at this late stage of the game.

I don't see why they wouldn't explore this unless they plan on ending the game soon which I doubt. They added xbox 360 too ffxi, ffxiv will be on ps3 so I don't know why SE wont explore making a ffxi version playable for ps3. They had 10 years to make a transition to ps3. Furthermore, there still space on the HDD and having all aspects of the game available to ps2 user except for the new expansion is a bit silly

[RAIST]

I don't see why they wouldn't explore this unless they plan on ending the game soon which I doubt. They added xbox 360 too ffxi, ffxiv will be on ps3 so I don't know why SE wont explore making a ffxi version playable for ps3. They had 10 years to make a transition to ps3. Furthermore, there still space on the HDD and having all aspects of the game available to ps2 user except for the new expansion is a bit silly

Guessing you don't have muuch understanding of how the process works. Microsoft provides the tools for converting DirectX compliant products to the XB360. Sony doesn't provide the robust tools the Microsoft does. Basically, a lot of the code would have to actually be written for the PS3, where a lot of it is automated for XB360. Thus, it requires minimal efffort to port the more compliant PC portions to the XB360--PS3 is more likely to require a rewrite of the actual runtimes.

Case in point, you referenced FF14. Roughly 6 months after testing the PC environment, they moved on to converting/testing PS3--only to find it wouldn't run on the PS3 as it was, and had to go back and GUT IT TO MAKE IT RUN. You can't just port from PC release to PS3--because the tools Sony provides are rubbish in comparison.

[Cljader1]

Guessing you don't have muuch understanding of how the process works. Microsoft provides the tools for converting DirectX compliant products to the XB360. Sony doesn't provide the robust tools the Microsoft does. Basically, a lot of the code would have to actually be written for the PS3, where a lot of it is automated for XB360. Thus, it requires minimal efffort to port the more compliant PC portions to the XB360--PS3 is more likely to require a rewrite of the actual runtimes.

Case in point, you referenced FF14. Roughly 6 months after testing the PC environment, they moved on to converting/testing PS3--only to find it wouldn't run on the PS3 as it was, and had to go back and GUT IT TO MAKE IT RUN. You can't just port from PC release to PS3--because the tools Sony provides are rubbish in comparison.

Where's your proof to back any of these claims up??

[RAIST]

Where's your proof to back any of these claims up??

It's common knowledge in the PS2/3 Scenes...as in people who tinker with this stuff as a hobby/job. Countless complaints in reviews about the platforms, excuses for why some houses did not lend support to the PS3 simply because it was easier to develop for the XB360 over the PS3.....it's all out there on the web if you've kept up with any of it over the years, you would be aware of it.

Announcements about FF14 Development. It was common knowledge, and the butt of jokes about them having to reduce texture sizes and such for the PS3 when it went into testing. Again, it was all out there on the web in reviews and forums back when it all went down.

[Demon6324236]

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

[Cljader1]

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

[Demon6324236]

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

Well I will ask you then why should SE continue to support a console or a group if there are small amount of people who play on that console?