Why PlayStation 2

[Zumi]

I have no need to back it up with anything, you only need to look at the evidence. It's been said time and time again that JP players play it mostly on PS2, clearly that is true hence the PS2 version of the EP, NA/EU play it mostly on the PC, XBOX 360 then the remaining on PS2/3. Clearly as there is no EP for PS2/3 it has the SMALLEST number of players and NOT deemed cost effective to cater for them.

If you genuinely believe there is enough NA players on the PS2/3 then that is your prerogative, SE clearly don't see it as so thus they are NOT making the EP for PS2/3.



It's NOT laziness, it's smart Business. You have to remember games like the PSOne games are tiny in size, and ridiculously easy to port, almost like just uploading the ISO. PS2 games are not the same.

FFX HD has a big enough player base so therefore they are upgrading (yeah right, barely noticeable) safe in the knowledge it'll make the money back it cost easily. FFXI will NOT.



The problem is, if it was completely redone it'd probably cost more than making a brand new game and really wouldn't get that many new players. FFXIV 2.0 is a massive update, with a lot of Shops looking to market it as a new game, and game reviewers willing to class it as one. It has the potential to sell and get a huge playerbase. FFXI will never achieve that now not unless they made it F2P.

You don't get it they are still supporting PS2, the dat files are all the same between versions, Japan is getting everything. When SoA comes out you they will still be updating PS2 with all the item and gear graphic files even in the US PS2 while get these files. They really aren't spending any more money by making it available for US PS2 if they just do a downloadable version.

They are making a version of it for JP. SE could easily have made it a download on PS2 and not have a retail box version which is what most people want. Nobody is asking them for a retail boxed PS2 version but what we do want is a download to be able to continue playing with PS2.

So basically the only thing the US PS2 version won't have is the new zone files they will get everything else.

[Insaniac]

Obviously they can't for some reason or they would do it. I promise they would gladly take money from EN PS2 players if it made financial sense.

[Camiie]

I would imagine there's simply no production of NA-region PS2 discs anymore. If so, that's probably why.

[Zerich]

I keep seeing people say no NA stores sell PS2 games anymore ... Walmart does and its one of the biggest nationwide retailers so um yeah. I play on both PC and PS2 and IF SE were actually going to give the game an overhaul I would support dropping PS2 support but fact is they aren't. You are flat dreaming if you think FFXI is getting the FFXIV 2.0 treatment lol.

in the bargain bin

[Insaniac]

It's just a cost thing somewhere along the line. There's some process that makes it not cost effective and we will likely never have any clue what it is unless they tell us. People just need to accept that dropping EN PS2 from the expansion is part of what they needed to do to make the it happen at all. If you can't be bothered to spend 1 minimum wage paycheck so the vast majority of the EN community who upgraded 6 years ago can enjoy a full expansion then you're a jerk or really really really poor.

[Aldersyde]

I have no need to back it up with anything, you only need to look at the evidence. I

Stopped reading right there. Thanks for making it clear straight off that it's pointless to have any kind of discussion with you. What f@$*ing arrogance...

[Suteru]

1) They haven't run a PS2 disc in ages and it is probably a nightmare to get them into production in the US. EU never had a PS2 version.

2) The reason you can't see the "sky grid" in the PS2 version is mostly because the graphics are too low-resolution. The PS2's graphics are just too blurry a mess.

[RAIST]

You don't get it they are still supporting PS2, the dat files are all the same between versions, Japan is getting everything. When SoA comes out you they will still be updating PS2 with all the item and gear graphic files even in the US PS2 while get these files. They really aren't spending any more money by making it available for US PS2 if they just do a downloadable version.

They are making a version of it for JP. SE could easily have made it a download on PS2 and not have a retail box version which is what most people want. Nobody is asking them for a retail boxed PS2 version but what we do want is a download to be able to continue playing with PS2.

So basically the only thing the US PS2 version won't have is the new zone files they will get everything else.

Download the expansion to the PS2???!! Are you serious? Have you not taken notice of how much trouble they have with just even 100MB (sometimes less) of patches as it is already? This is going to be NEW AREAS....as in, NEW ASSETS, not rehashed versions of existing areas that are using all the same monster models and such so they can cheat and use the same files for a lot of the content. Look at TAU....the CAB files were past the 800MB mark--that is the two compressed containers, who knows what they are when unpacked---but it states on the box that is wants 2GB of free space.

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Just out of curiosity, I unpacked the CAB files on my laptop.....1.95GB worth of new files on the TAU Windows installation disc.

[Merton9999]

I didn't read much but the OP, and I do agree with some points on specific visuals. In particular, the camera seizure on PC is absolutely horrible, and never happened to me on PS2. The lag in loading character models is a little annoying too. I also miss the PlayOnline yell

The problem I have with these and the rest of the points is ultimately they're relatively inconsequential. The few advantages I love about PC are so dramatic that you could add a thousand more little benefits to PS2 and they wouldn't make any difference. Here are the three things that are game breakers to me. I'd quit the game before I'd go back to PS2 if these issues still existed.

1. Freezing on NPCs and cut scenes. I stayed on PS2 longer than I should have because I was lazy and didn't want to go through the setup process. When I couldn't progress through ToAU at all is when I switched. How are people getting through WoG and ToAU missions? Are you not doing them? Using a friend's PC?

2. Macro set delay. My PC switches between macro sets instantaneously. I can even hold it and watch them roll through back to the first one in under a second. PS2 was terrible at this. This made a huge difference on a job like SCH where I'm constantly flying through macro sets and books.

3. Update and Logon. When I was updating both systems, it took my PS2 roughly three times longer to update than my PC. If I tried to update PS2 on update day, I'd have to recover from errors 20+ times before the update would continue. I've never had to do that once on PC. My PC also logs on at least twice as fast as PS2 did.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

The reason you can't see the "sky grid" in the PS2 version is mostly because the graphics are too low-resolution.

The default PC resolution, 640x480 (which I used to take the first screenshot) is the same as the PS2's output. Granted, the PS2 puts out an interlaced image, but the grid is still not visible when being deinterlaced/upconverted by a PS3.

Any difference between 480p on a PC and 480p on a PS3 is a difference in the code itself, not in the inherent nature of the platforms.