Why PlayStation 2

[Daniel_Hatcher]

You have no idea the exact amount of people who play on consoles or otherwise, because SE has never released this information. If you think they have, prove it and post a link. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true. Don't tell me to look for it myself, if you're making an argument the onus is on you to back it up.

I have no need to back it up with anything, you only need to look at the evidence. It's been said time and time again that JP players play it mostly on PS2, clearly that is true hence the PS2 version of the EP, NA/EU play it mostly on the PC, XBOX 360 then the remaining on PS2/3. Clearly as there is no EP for PS2/3 it has the SMALLEST number of players and NOT deemed cost effective to cater for them.

If you genuinely believe there is enough NA players on the PS2/3 then that is your prerogative, SE clearly don't see it as so thus they are NOT making the EP for PS2/3.

And yet they have no trouble porting over old games like GoW and Tomb Raider, and hell there making FFX in HD.. Its not that they cant they just won't because of laziness.

It's NOT laziness, it's smart Business. You have to remember games like the PSOne games are tiny in size, and ridiculously easy to port, almost like just uploading the ISO. PS2 games are not the same.

FFX HD has a big enough player base so therefore they are upgrading (yeah right, barely noticeable) safe in the knowledge it'll make the money back it cost easily. FFXI will NOT.

The problem here is that if FFXI were completely redone and then ported to PS2, it would become competition for FFXIV, which is the last thing they need, considering that they're relying on a lot of the current FFXI players to join FFXIV once FFXIV-2 comes out.

The problem is, if it was completely redone it'd probably cost more than making a brand new game and really wouldn't get that many new players. FFXIV 2.0 is a massive update, with a lot of Shops looking to market it as a new game, and game reviewers willing to class it as one. It has the potential to sell and get a huge playerbase. FFXI will never achieve that now not unless they made it F2P.

[Zumi]

I have no need to back it up with anything, you only need to look at the evidence. It's been said time and time again that JP players play it mostly on PS2, clearly that is true hence the PS2 version of the EP, NA/EU play it mostly on the PC, XBOX 360 then the remaining on PS2/3. Clearly as there is no EP for PS2/3 it has the SMALLEST number of players and NOT deemed cost effective to cater for them.

If you genuinely believe there is enough NA players on the PS2/3 then that is your prerogative, SE clearly don't see it as so thus they are NOT making the EP for PS2/3.



It's NOT laziness, it's smart Business. You have to remember games like the PSOne games are tiny in size, and ridiculously easy to port, almost like just uploading the ISO. PS2 games are not the same.

FFX HD has a big enough player base so therefore they are upgrading (yeah right, barely noticeable) safe in the knowledge it'll make the money back it cost easily. FFXI will NOT.



The problem is, if it was completely redone it'd probably cost more than making a brand new game and really wouldn't get that many new players. FFXIV 2.0 is a massive update, with a lot of Shops looking to market it as a new game, and game reviewers willing to class it as one. It has the potential to sell and get a huge playerbase. FFXI will never achieve that now not unless they made it F2P.

You don't get it they are still supporting PS2, the dat files are all the same between versions, Japan is getting everything. When SoA comes out you they will still be updating PS2 with all the item and gear graphic files even in the US PS2 while get these files. They really aren't spending any more money by making it available for US PS2 if they just do a downloadable version.

They are making a version of it for JP. SE could easily have made it a download on PS2 and not have a retail box version which is what most people want. Nobody is asking them for a retail boxed PS2 version but what we do want is a download to be able to continue playing with PS2.

So basically the only thing the US PS2 version won't have is the new zone files they will get everything else.

[RAIST]

You don't get it they are still supporting PS2, the dat files are all the same between versions, Japan is getting everything. When SoA comes out you they will still be updating PS2 with all the item and gear graphic files even in the US PS2 while get these files. They really aren't spending any more money by making it available for US PS2 if they just do a downloadable version.

They are making a version of it for JP. SE could easily have made it a download on PS2 and not have a retail box version which is what most people want. Nobody is asking them for a retail boxed PS2 version but what we do want is a download to be able to continue playing with PS2.

So basically the only thing the US PS2 version won't have is the new zone files they will get everything else.

Download the expansion to the PS2???!! Are you serious? Have you not taken notice of how much trouble they have with just even 100MB (sometimes less) of patches as it is already? This is going to be NEW AREAS....as in, NEW ASSETS, not rehashed versions of existing areas that are using all the same monster models and such so they can cheat and use the same files for a lot of the content. Look at TAU....the CAB files were past the 800MB mark--that is the two compressed containers, who knows what they are when unpacked---but it states on the box that is wants 2GB of free space.

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Just out of curiosity, I unpacked the CAB files on my laptop.....1.95GB worth of new files on the TAU Windows installation disc.

[Aldersyde]

I have no need to back it up with anything, you only need to look at the evidence. I

Stopped reading right there. Thanks for making it clear straight off that it's pointless to have any kind of discussion with you. What f@$*ing arrogance...

[Westyle]

I can always dream of this game getting the 2.0 treatment. I think if they remarketed FFXI now with an engine overhaul and versions available on current generation consoles it would be quite successful compared the original PS2 release. People back then were put off by the HDD's price tag, plus how difficult and slow the gameplay was. I enjoyed the game but it was next to impossible to make any progress solo.
I suppose the PS3 release of FFXIV would be a good measure of how an FFXI upgrade would fair.

[Eric]

I can always dream of this game getting the 2.0 treatment. I think if they remarketed FFXI now with an engine overhaul and versions available on current generation consoles it would be quite successful compared the original PS2 release. People back then were put off by the HDD's price tag, plus how difficult and slow the gameplay was. I enjoyed the game but it was next to impossible to make any progress solo.
I suppose the PS3 release of FFXIV would be a good measure of how an FFXI upgrade would fair.

The problem here is that if FFXI were completely redone and then ported to PS3*, it would become competition for FFXIV, which is the last thing they need, considering that they're relying on a lot of the current FFXI players to join FFXIV once FFXIV-2 comes out.

[Teraniku]

Well if a certain company didn't region lock the PS2 / PS3 to begin with, this wouldn't be an issue. Since they could put all versions on the same DVD's and you could import them if you wished to have the expansion. Blame Sony, not SE.

[Llana_Virren]

Well if a certain company didn't region lock the PS2 / PS3 to begin with, this wouldn't be an issue. Since they could put all versions on the same DVD's and you could import them if you wished to have the expansion. Blame Sony, not SE.

Region lock is profitable, ironically.

[Teraniku]

Region lock is profitable, ironically.

Unfortunately, yes it is.

[Avina]

I think it is fair for people to complain about it. This SE is a business and this is a product they pay for, and if it is taking the direction its consumers don't want, the consumers should be able to complain.

That being said, I agree with the statement that SE has made this move because of it just not being profitable enough. I think that survey we filled out a year or so ago where we indicated our system preference has a lot to do with this. Not enough people indicated the PS2 as their preferred system in NA/EU to make it a profitable venture. Its not racism,its that the money is not there.

As its been noted, in Japan the PS2 still lives. I can't think of a store here that still sells,much less markets PS2 games anymore.