No Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

[Modoru]

Timed NMs?

AAAARGUUUUUUUUUUUS.

Seriously, weeks of camping him, maybe popped about 3 times, and I got him twice, and it never dropped. I lost a lot of sleep trying to get that damn drop. To this day, I've never owned a PCC.

[Meyi]

Game needs competition not campout fire circle singing kumbaya

Which is what we have to do while we wait for other parties to kill the time spawned NM we need to continue our objective of the day. We have to camp out and watch them kill it and then sing kumbaya to sooth our inner rage.

[Winrie]

Only thing I really have to say is:

If you casuals can have what you wish no questions asked, why is it so wrong of us to get something we want as well.

And secondly, you don't like timed spawned NMs amazing, we get it, but I have to ask who in the blue f**k said you had to participate in it? If you don't like it don't do it, easy complex anyone can understand.

And we get crap for posting bringing back timed spawn NM posts yet I don't see why it's wrong for us to defend our point against posts like this in return, it's not only your game, and a lot of you who do complain, not all, either have no clue what you're talking bout, I.e. Heard from a friend or whomever, read old forum crap on hnm, or you were those guys who just couldn't claim or kill anything. All that petty crap aside point is, game should appease more than casuals, content shouldn't be so narrow minded, and no ones putting guns to your heads saying camp this. Quit rage posting crying about having to do it, you're not obligated.

[zataz]

i personally like timed spawns. should every nm be timed no. should some yes. >.> they need to make more 8-16 hour spawns. its not like they wont have something for u to do to get gear from. so why take timed spawns from those that enjoy it.

[Camiie]

Only thing I really have to say is:

If you casuals can have what you wish no questions asked, why is it so wrong of us to get something we want as well.

Pssst. Over here. Hey, buddy, I got some info for ya... Not everyone who hates timed spawn NMs is a casual.
Why am I against it being reintroduced? It makes the game look bad. Even if I don't participate, stupid content makes the game look stupid. The more archaic, outdated, and/or poorly designed content they introduce the worse FFXI looks, and we have far too much of that already.

Try imagining explaining the old HNM scene to friends who are skeptical or on the fence about FFXI. I guarantee that such friends won't be entering Vana'diel after hearing an honest description of how it works.

And secondly, you don't like timed spawned NMs amazing, we get it, but I have to ask who in the blue f**k said you had to participate in it? If you don't like it don't do it, easy complex anyone can understand.

I have to "participate" in it by paying for its production. Sorry if I'd rather see them produce things I'd actually like to do instead.

And we get crap for posting bringing back timed spawn NM posts yet I don't see why it's wrong for us to defend our point against posts like this in return, it's not only your game, and a lot of you who do complain, not all, either have no clue what you're talking bout, I.e. Heard from a friend or whomever, read old forum crap on hnm, or you were those guys who just couldn't claim or kill anything. All that petty crap aside point is, game should appease more than casuals, content shouldn't be so narrow minded, and no ones putting guns to your heads saying camp this. Quit rage posting crying about having to do it, you're not obligated.

We get crap for posting we don't want it anymore. It's not wrong for us to defend our point either. It's not only your game. I DO have a clue about exactly what HNMs involved. I did it day in and day out for years. I have more than enough experience with it and every right to tell my fellow players how horrible it was and every right to tell SE not to produce stuff like it anymore.

The game should appease more than casuals? In the post-Abyssea era it's not appeasing casuals at all. It's all you guys right now, so I kind of wonder what you're so upset about. There's plenty of rare hard-to-get gear and even an event that effectively promotes cheating for it (NEO Nyzul). The only difference is you don't get to make someone else miserable to get what you want, and if you enjoy making other people miserable then please seek help now.

[Demon6324236]

Only thing I really have to say is:

If you casuals can have what you wish no questions asked, why is it so wrong of us to get something we want as well.

And secondly, you don't like timed spawned NMs amazing, we get it, but I have to ask who in the blue f**k said you had to participate in it? If you don't like it don't do it, easy complex anyone can understand.

And we get crap for posting bringing back timed spawn NM posts yet I don't see why it's wrong for us to defend our point against posts like this in return, it's not only your game, and a lot of you who do complain, not all, either have no clue what you're talking bout, I.e. Heard from a friend or whomever, read old forum crap on hnm, or you were those guys who just couldn't claim or kill anything. All that petty crap aside point is, game should appease more than casuals, content shouldn't be so narrow minded, and no ones putting guns to your heads saying camp this. Quit rage posting crying about having to do it, you're not obligated.

Ill make you a deal, you can have your time spawns & HNMs, when I can obtain the gear they drop with a slightly lower drop rates and the same people, but with a pop item that is decently ok to obtain. By this I mean, the pop does not drop off of the time NM, does not get restricted by dropping from another time NM, and does not drop from something with a small rate but is limiting such as BCNMs. This way it is purely for your enjoyment if you want it, and yet people who don't want to deal with the BS that is time spawns do not have to, but suffer a slightly smaller drop rate.

Note:To specify what I mean by slightly, I mean if something has a 30% drop rate, it would be something like 20%, not 1% or 5%. This means while there is an advantage to time spawns, it is not a huge advantage, and is mainly only for the enjoyment of those who wish this content type.

[Winrie]

You're referring to voidwatch and legion appeasing us, I'll jus note right here that voidwatch is pick up group friendly at an obnoxious level, even it with 18 retarded monkeys who understand proc can win, that's not appealing challenge wise(voidclusters have made this much much worse) nor is the gear outstanding on a rarity level as an ebody back when or dalmatica(iirc ppl were asking for it more so for rare gear that was up there like back when, not every Joe on the block has your gear) and legion is a clusterf**k that barely anyone touches at all, I don't know about other servers but on mine it doesn't exist. So I might add how is the game appealing to us right now? FYI I didn't post for a shitting contest, I stated facts, and btw hnm doesn't make the game look bad, easy content that is cleared way too quickly, a company that can't pump content out fast enough to keep up with content that is cleared too quickly, no challenge at all at 99, no point to having a LS in an mmorpg that is focused on team play, because everything is soloable or dual box able, no diversity in playerbase, looks bad. As someone said earlier, easy mode makes ppl finish and get bored quickly while time sinks and vets who participate in them ect are the ppl who ultimately hold an mmorpg together, argue it, I don't really give a damn.

I don't care if drops are split between content, so casuals have a shot, Odin shared hnm drops before anything, most QQrs don't understand that but the best bodies dropped off him, and every other bit of non hnm content dropped very good gear, so idk why so much bitching, everyone should win ina video game, some of us like to compete to win however, and more than one option for obtaining gear is always better than one and I support that, before you scream masochistic greedy whatever the hell y'all call old timers who want a piece of their game back.

[Demon6324236]

nor is the gear outstanding on a rarity level as an ebody back when or dalmatica(iirc ppl were asking for it more so for rare gear that was up there like back when, not every Joe on the block has your gear)

This is what Im against, same as I said to earlier. People being limiting on gear leads to gloating, annoyance, frustration, insults(being called a gimp loser for instance) and much more, this is bad for the community, and bad overall. Again, its a game, games should be a way for entertainment, nothing of what was mentioned in the list of what limited gear causes. It may sound nice to have it that way, but people abuse it by insulting people who are without this gear because they are "beneath them" which is bad.

[Dragoy]

Timed NMs?

AAAARGUUUUUUUUUUUS.

Seriously, weeks of camping him, maybe popped about 3 times, and I got him twice, and it never dropped. I lost a lot of sleep trying to get that damn drop. To this day, I've never owned a PCC.

I actually got that some time ago from Nyzul Isle Investigation. °~°

It's also the first, and only 'non-junk' item I have gotten from any assault, and I've done them quite a lot (every assault mission at least once, and lots of Nyzul). I still don't quite believe it, to be honest.

What we need more is, monsters that de-spawn even if not defeated successfully after being aggravated, and they will very rarely 'drop' an item that you need at least 3 high level crafts to make into the 'real' item, and then use highly convoluted evoliths to make them better. With of course at least 3-7 days of re-spawn timer.

No, just no...

I never really understood how it is balanced to have low low drop-rates. Think about the Defending Ring. It has been in the game since what, 2006? And there are 705 of them (obviously some accounts with it are likely to be inactive, and due to the spawn behaviour, not too many King Behemoths were/are slain). But still, it will never be balanced because other people may work on it for a small eternity with no results to show for it, while others don't need to, because of luck.

One simply cannot balance luck!

[Camiie]

You're referring to voidwatch and legion appeasing us, I'll jus note right here that voidwatch is pick up group friendly at an obnoxious level, even it with 18 retarded monkeys who understand proc can win, that's not appealing challenge wise(voidclusters have made this much much worse) nor is the gear outstanding on a rarity level as an ebody back when or dalmatica(iirc ppl were asking for it more so for rare gear that was up there like back when, not every Joe on the block has your gear) and legion is a clusterf**k that barely anyone touches at all, I don't know about other servers but on mine it doesn't exist. So I might add how is the game appealing to us right now?

Hard content. Rare gear not just anyone can obtain. Isn't that what hardcore players want? It's always what I see requested.

FYI I didn't post for a shitting contest, I stated facts,

Opinions. You stated opinions.

and btw hnm doesn't make the game look bad, easy content that is cleared way too quickly, a company that can't pump content out fast enough to keep up with content that is cleared too quickly, no challenge at all at 99, no point to having a LS in an mmorpg that is focused on team play, because everything is soloable or dual box able, no diversity in playerbase, looks bad.

It will get you 10-12 million subscribers, which is more than SE could ever dream of. That doesn't look so bad to me.

As someone said earlier, easy mode makes ppl finish and get bored quickly while time sinks and vets who participate in them ect are the ppl who ultimately hold an mmorpg together, argue it, I don't really give a damn.

And hardmode, random, competitive nonsense makes people frustrated and quit sooner than they normally would... even the hardcore vets.

I don't care if drops are split between content, so casuals have a shot, Odin shared hnm drops before anything, most QQrs don't understand that but the best bodies dropped off him, and every other bit of non hnm content dropped very good gear, so idk why so much bitching, everyone should win ina video game, some of us like to compete to win however, and more than one option for obtaining gear is always better than one and I support that, before you scream masochistic greedy whatever the hell y'all call old timers who want a piece of their game back.

Odin was harder than Kings were so I'd hardly call him casual content. The good part was that a group could participate in Einherjar on its own schedule rather than having to base their lives around some stupid spawn window. It wasn't easier, and it wasn't casual. It just didn't require people to walk all over each other and cheat2win to get loot.

Ill make you a deal, you can have your time spawns & HNMs, when I can obtain the gear they drop with a slightly lower drop rates and the same people, but with a pop item that is decently ok to obtain.

Disagreed. IF SE went this route then the drop rates should be equal. If it's truly just the competition people are after they shouldn't have an issue with it.