No Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

[Neisan_Quetz]

Just noted someone compared Mog Bonanza relic reward to gold farming KIs. Other than that Timed spawns aren't completely terribad but shouldn't take hours and days on end to spawn.

[saevel]

Ok lets get something clear.

There are no, and never were any, "Hard NMs".

There were only ignorant and uninformed players who used faulty strategies. Eventually players wised up and came up with better strategies. Those better strategies took on the KISS approach of making fights as simple and straight forward as possible, thus maximizing the chance of defeating the NM.

You people are referring tor a FFXI that never existed. Only in your rose tinted memories does such a game exist and only because you've chosen to forget the actual facts surrounding it and only remember the moment when you figured out how to kill it.

DL was "really hard", then he become a joke. Nidhogg was "really hard", then he became a joke. Kirin was "really hard / long", then he became a joke. KB was "wtf hard", then he became a joke. Tiamatt was "ridiculously hard", then she became a joke. Vrtra was the only one that stayed "hard" and only due to the adds and monsters in the room. Bring enough people to handle those and it's much easier then Tiamatt.

I can't remember a single event @75 that remained hard once we figured out an easy strategy. This game doesn't have the mechanics implemented to make any sort of fight "really hard", its just one big game of dice rolling with your stats vs the monsters stats. The fights themselves were straightforward tank and spanks, nothing more.

Thus "World HNM" are not hard, never were hard, and never will be hard. The only thing special about them is they allowed one group of people willing to pay $2000 ~ $4000 USD for a packet bot to have exclusive gear. They were so bad that tvtroupes even made a special troupe about them "The Ridill".

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...Main.TheRidill

People who want world spawned NMs really want exclusive loot that they can show off. Their wanting drama and conflict amongst the player base. They are the worst form of troll.

[Habu]

Yes.

No. I was saying people will continue to complain about any form of content they don't like, or think is too hard, or unfair. I used those as examples of an "event being to hard".

If you want to read where I actually cared about arguing on this topic go read the thread I made. I've already said that I've stopped caring about trying to change people's mind because it will never happen. Thus the "suckless" etc comments, because if they don't care, neither do I.

[Phogg]

Yes.

No. I was saying people will continue to complain about any form of content they don't like, or think is too hard, or unfair. I used those as examples of an "event being to hard".

If you want to read where I actually cared about arguing on this topic go read the thread I made. I've already said that I've stopped caring about trying to change people's mind because it will never happen. Thus the "suckless" etc comments, because if they don't care, neither do I.

I don't see much in the way of people suggesting the events/battles are to hard in this thread, they are saying timed NMs are stupid and lame, and you are replying that they should "suckless" for thinking as much without providing any consistent reasoning behind your argument that claiming a timed NM has anything to do with the suck~to~skill ratio.

Sounds more like you might fall in the category of people who were sad that dynamis changed because they could no longer occupy dynamis for 3 hours once a week even though their LS no longer even had any need for doing dynamis.

All I'm reading is wha wha I can't claim. Suckless or cleave your KIs

Yeah, sounds an awful lot like you just don't care about changing the hearts and minds of forum goers, benevolent one.

[Demon6324236]

When you can tell me why times spawns like the ones you want are better for the game and its population I may change my views on it. Instead you do not, you insult people who don't share your views and back up the fact HNM should be brought back with nothing.

[Habu]

One sided view, nothing will change your mind, waste of time, circular argument.

[Demon6324236]

One sided view, nothing will change your mind, waste of time, circular argument.

You don't know it wont will change my mind unless you try, if thats not your goal then shut up and go away, your only trolling.

[Demon6324236]

One sided view, nothing will change your mind, waste of time, circular argument.

Yes, again, you don't know if it will change my mind or not, you have told me no advantage that benefits the game by adding time spawns on the size you speak of. If its a waste of time, why don't you go do something else? Maybe this is why you want these spawns, because you like to waste time, I don't know, and you don't want to even try explaining any good reason for it.

[Phogg]

One sided view, nothing will change your mind, waste of time, circular argument.

You need to present an argument to determine if it is circular.

What is your argument in favor of timed NM spawns aside from "suckless"?

[Habu]

You need to present an argument to determine if it is circular.

What is your argument in favor of timed NM spawns aside from "suckless"?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...future-of-FFXI

Read that.