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    Player Habu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phogg View Post
    Sorry but your arguments are logically fallacious. There is no similarity between nyzul isle, something any group can do at any time and any day they wish (fail or succeed) and timed HNMs. No one is (or should be) arguing that content should be easy, ie nerfing nyzul difficulty. This is about arbitrary pop timers, which whether you are inclined to believe so or not, have no bearing or relevance on anyone's level of skill.

    I managed to claim behemoth against 40 people in the dominion back in the day with charm as a beastmaster. Do I think I'm super awesome because I did so? No, I just got lucky. Luck has nothing to do with challenge/skill/etc. Timed NMs where one person/group gets the fortune of claiming is just a stupid archaic system.

    Let the challenge be in the battle, where it should be. Not whether or not you are fortunate enough to even manage to engage in said battle due to an abundance of luck or a cadre or people with time enough to spend sitting idle in a game until it pops. There is really no way to overstate how little that has to do with any form or manner of skill, and how kind of sad it is to think so.
    You obviously can't read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habu View Post
    You obviously can't read.
    You are arguing to continue/perpetuate timed NMs, yes? That is the core of your entire persistence with this thread, is it not?

    You used nyzul as some form of support to your argument, yes?

    You are offering red herring arguments, I can read just fine.

    When you can provide any valid argument where claiming a timed NM has anything at all to do with skill, as you imply by telling people multiple times in this thread to "suckless", I'll have a sad stale cookie waiting for you.
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    Last edited by Phogg; 07-07-2012 at 10:39 AM.

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    Hey buddy, hey buddy want a tough game with lots of competition and in depth meta gaming? Go play a fighting game.

    But more to the point challenging monsters I support, having the best gear come from said monsters is great. My only issue is getting to said monster. You see one of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing was Monster Hunter, the monsters were always there, and always challenging but most of all it was always free game to anyone trying to fight it. By having the monster free to all to challenge it was a fair way to truly separate good or bad players without having to resort to tools not part of the game or cheap tactics. Also stop straw manning. It devalues your argument.
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    Last edited by Rekin; 07-07-2012 at 07:20 AM.
    It doesn't take much to know when someone is special. After 5 minutes if the person is alive and well you have a keeper, if they are dead and obnoxious then toss em like two day old leftovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekin View Post
    Hey buddy, hey buddy what a tough game with lots of competition and in depth meta gaming? Go play a fighting game.

    But more to the point challenging monsters I support, having the best gear come from said monsters is great. My only issue is getting to said monster. You see one of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing was Monster Hunter, the monsters were always there, and always challenging but most of all it was always free game to anyone trying to fight it. By having the monster free to all to challenge it was a fair way to truly separate good or bad players without having to resort to tools not part of the game or cheap tactics. Also stop straw manning. It devalues your argument.
    those two trolls devalue their argument by stating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerich View Post
    those two trolls devalue their argument by stating it.
    Was I referred to as a troll here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    Can you imagine waking up each morning knowing that you would have to wrestle a man-sized radish to death in order to eat?
    Sorry, had to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo View Post
    Was I referred to as a troll here?
    Nah, I think they were referring to Habu and the Galka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
    Nah, I think they were referring to Habu and the Galka.
    Likewise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
    Nah, I think they were referring to Habu and the Galka.
    yeah, those two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
    Nah, I think they were referring to Habu and the Galka.
    That sounds like a bad TV show from the '70's.
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    @ habu In some cases I agree with you, but what you are saying is not 100% true. I dislike the concept of hnm not because only one group can fight it. I dislike it cause at times, it would pop in a time frame I can't do. I stated my dislike as a non casual. I can play this game more then 1 hour a day. And no offence, I can't always be up for a 5am hnm hunt. I do need to sleep sometime. Not everyone wants to be spoon fed content. I'm against it actually. Sort of why I dislike Leeching. All it is, is being spoon fed.
    And hate to say Leeching can effect your skill level when playing because it does take some practice in actual combat to really play your role. I knew Legion was going to bite people in the butt and want it nerfed. But that is a different topic all together.

    All I want is to actualy partake in content. No reward needed. I'm not doing content for the reward, I'm doing it to enjoy the content. I love a good fight or dungeon run. I loved stuff like dynamis because the zones where cool.
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