Summoner need a Avatar Danage Adjustment.

[SkyVargrant]

Hello, Square Enix, This Note is not going to the Players, but it shall may give SE a tought about the huge Summoner damage probelm, what is still remain in ffxi.

I realyze, that a lot of Patches comming out about dynamis,legion, VW ect.
Nice and good, but like always: The real problem in ffxi still reamining.
One of it is the Summoner.

I'd like to ask some question, because there are lots of things about Summoner, what simmply isn't going out of my head:

.Why does only Shiva & garuda relative passable damage, and the other Avatars are simply to vorget, what dammage depends? Why is that so? Why has never gave Changes about the Dammage that Fenrir does. I was doing Trial 1748 solo, because doing Trial's is a solo job. it is incredible Luck if you find someone who help you, or has the same Trial up, like me. I do 1500-1600 dmg on the Mouse Slimes on Bosteaunix Obilete. i need 2x Lunar Bay till the mob has 0 HP left. Peoples, thats insane, a absolute No GO!!!!!! on lv 99 the damage of all avatars should be a t last 2000-2700 Dmg. I Sufferered so incredible on This Trial, you hardly can Emagine.
So Please Increase the Dammage of the Avatars or give em new pet comands to solve this problem.

.What i not can understand is further:
There are tonns of VW equipment, for almost all classes. And, with that i mean realy a lot. Why has Summoner so little Good gear? I have never seen 1 Good Gear with Avatar Magic Atackbonus from VW. WHY? Why has WAR DRK THf SAM ect so incredible good equipment, what can be atained from VW, and summoner has nothing.
WHY!!!! I love the Summoner Job alot, because it is so real oldscool job. But besiedes The handvull Summoner af3+2 and the Neck, earring & belt is nothing possibel for Summoner.
Please give My note a tought.

.What is more importand to make playing Summoner more fun, is that the critical Hits are much more embarresing than on BLM. Summoner Avatars need a increasing of the Petcomand rage's Critical Hits. I get a Critical 1/100 atm. That is almost as Summoner can't do Critical Hits in the first place.


.There is a point in ffxi, that is a pain in the ass since teh Game has comed out 2003. I play since 2003. The WHM Spell Rain: It last only 30-40 sec, than it dispell. What is the reason for sutche a spell in ffxi in the first palce?. Square Enix maybe not realyze, but Rain Spell is a verry Importand spell, if peoples doing Trial. Sublementation draisn HP fast out siede of abissea, and i get Blood Agoo so much, i hardly can handle. So my I deea of Rain spell duration should be at last 4 Minutes no mater if lv1 or lv 4. lv 5 is strong and mybe 3 Min is enough. But lv 1-4 Rain should have this duration. We are all lv 99 today. Please Stop with Gimp spell Duration's. FFxi is More than ever in need of real game Qualetys.


With friendly regards


Your Turialon

[Finuve]

I agree, I feel that if avatars had Danage targets to practice on then we would see less misses and more bullseyes coming from avatars.

[Dmer]

Lunar bay damage is based on moon phase. and slimes have PDT- trait, so every other Fenrir BP is crap on them because they are all physical. That trial was the worst one of all the SMN staves trials. I wouldn't used that as a case for SMN damage across the board.

Level your SMN magic skill.

If by "rain spell" you mean regen, then yes it's a short duration for very low MP cost. it's the most mp/hp ratio efficient healing spell in the game. Yes its duration is shorter then sublimation. That's what stoneskin is for . . . .

[Edyth]

If you think only Shiva and Garuda are relevant, get with the times.

Chaotic Strike has always been a blunt-type Predator Claws that also stuns the target. Shock Squall is also superior to any of Garuda's wards for a solo SMN in battle. Ramuh can grab hate like no other avatar with a ward pact. If you're not casting Dia II on everything, stop being a noob. Shock Squall deals 5000+ on blunt-weak enemies with Dia II. In Abyssea, he should be hitting 5000~9000+ on the Corse NM in Tahrongi, and 2000~5000+ on Teekesselchen in Grauberg, using Razed Ruins, Voracious Violet, and the non-offensive Ducal Guard for survivability. Garuda should be hitting for shit (approx. 2000~3000).

On weaker easy prey, outside of Abyssea, after Dia II, Ifrit's Flaming Crush should reliably hit for 3800~5500, nearly or succesfully one-shotting lower easy prey, while Predator Claws will hover around 2000~3000, and Chaotic Strike around 2000~4000. This was on spiders, so no damage type weakness. In Abyssea, after Dia II, Ifrit should hitting for ~7000+ on easy prey, nearly or successfully one-shotting, depending on target. If you want proof, go for Battering Rams in La Theine for example. This is once again with Razed Ruins/Voracious Violet. Flaming Crush's level correction is high though, so the damage drops substantially on higher targets. Ifrit also has the most damaging Assault due to Inferno Howl.

Against the most physically resistant targets, like VWNMs for example, Predator Claws often performs best; it seems to have lower level correction than Chaotic Strike.

My numbers are affected by my 498 summoning skill, 3 physical acc merits, empyrean +2 body/head/shoes, Karura Hachigane for Garuda, relic +2 gloves. The other gear I use isn't relevant because it doesn't increase damage except by summoning magic skill.

However, I'll give your gibberish post a like because avatars are indeed underperforming in Voidwatch compared to other content, in my opinion.

P.S.: DO NOT TOUCH AVATAR'S FAVOR WITH A NINE-AND-A-HALF FOOT POLE if you care about your avatar's damage. It substantially cuts your avatar's damage output as a trade-off for the reduced perpetuation cost and the piddly little favor.

[Doctrine]

the only real fix i see summoners needing is gettin rid of perp cost.

[Rezeak]

ur joking right avatar are all basically free now if you get the gear ?

and yes SMN needs a DMG boost my reason have been posted before but SMN main purpose was Safe DMG so it wasn't like the best DD in the game but if things go bad, SMNs could keep the dmg going.

now we have a ton of LOL SURRPORT crap as our boosts as our dmg relatively goes down and down ruining the job.

Small thing Edyth

Avatar pacts don't have a level correction which is why they always perform well vs ToAU kings and top teir ZNMs back at 75.

Ifrits physical blood pact has a magical component which screws it over.

Chaotic strike weaker than Pclaw by about 7%-14% cause the first hit is weaker. (on bones and stuff ofc it's stronger)

[Doctrine]

ur joking right avatar are all basically free now if you get the gear ?

doesnt matter if they are 'basically' free. they need to be free period. this perp thing was cute back in the day, but now?
its trite, and completely unnessecary

[Sargent]

Damage per Blood Pact is fine. It's the rate in which we can execute them that isn't. If you use a full mix and match set, your damage will increase. Also as mentioned, use different Blood Pacts depending on the mob your fighting. Only extra Blood Pact I would ask for would be a piercing Blood Pact, the last we got was Crescent Fang at Lv.10.

[SpankWustler]

Consuming amphetamines can be awesome, if not that productive.

Talking about an under-performing job can be cathartic, if not that productive.

Consuming amphetamines when trying to talk about an under-performing job is neither awesome nor productive. If my life experience is anything to go by, trying to steal the two-year-old tires off of my two-decade-old car in a Wal-Mart parking lot is a much more enjoyable activity for a bro whose every neuron is rapturously fighting to see which gets to fire first and hardest. Like a billion tiny vikings.

I hear clubbing works well, too. Like a billion tiny techno-vikings.

Godspeed, friend!

I "like"d this topic in spite of not being able to read it, because maybe it will go somewhere interesting and there is some validity in it. Currently, the majority of Summoner's contribution to normal group activities of any difficulty is Perfect Defense. I can't see that as such an exciting contribution to dynamic game-play that it should be the singular cornerstone of a job.

[Rezeak]

doesnt matter if they are 'basically' free. they need to be free period. this perp thing was cute back in the day, but now?
its trite, and completely unnessecary

the avatars cost 15 mp a tick

HQ staff = -3
Relic +2 head = -2
Emp +2 body = -4
Emp+2 Feet = -3
Evoker ring = -1
Augur legs = -1

=-14 (will always cost 1)
and auto refresh gives you 2 mp a tick

sooo yea 1 mp a tick is the cost for avatars

ooo btw sub sch and use weather w/ Emp+2 hands and yea u can prolly switch out more perp gear for DoT gear or Refresh gear.

Also the trail staffs give -7.

Honestly your just saying "I'm too lazy to put prep gear on or get prep gear"

O yea not to mention the back then augement is even less valid w/ stuff like convert, refresh or sublimation.

I need no buffs to spam blood pact rages and keep avatars out so yea mp costs aren't really a issue infact i wish i could use my mp more to do more dmg.

Honestly QQing about 1 mp a tick isn't worth the devs time.