Enmity Cap

[Lordos]

Easy 2 fix all action have 2 do less hate, that all lol. I really hope the fixing this before new tank job because i gone lvl RUN ;D

[Kavik]

Easy 2 fix all action have 2 do less hate, that all lol. I really hope the fixing this before new tank job because i gone lvl RUN ;D

This doesn't help at all. You'll still all hit hate cap and be on equal footing regardless of how long it takes to get there. It ends up looking like this (small numbers because they are easier to work with), 10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=100
50+50 = 100 <-- currently how it basically breaks down.
90+10 = 100
100+20 = 100

Now if you were to make everything generate less enmity you get something like,
1 X 100 = 100 actions you would still cap out at 100. Meaning whoever preforms the most actions the fastest would indeed get capped enmity first, but as the battle wore on more people would hit cap and you'd still be in the same boat, the mob going everywhere and no control at all.

I just thought of this while i was doing dishes.... how about we make animus spells raise/lower the amount of enmity that can be completely acquired? For example you cast augeo on the pld, he can get 110 enmity, cast minuo on someone else and they can only get 90? OR have them directly raise/lower enmity, so cast augeo on pld and he instantly gets 50, cast minueo on war and he instantly loses 50, instead of them having actions generate more/less enmity, since everyone will hit cap anyway they're a little but pointless, this would make them tremendously useful.

[Llana_Virren]

This doesn't help at all. You'll still all hit hate cap and be on equal footing regardless of how long it takes to get there. It ends up looking like this (small numbers because they are easier to work with), 10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=100
50+50 = 100 <-- currently how it basically breaks down.
90+10 = 100
100+20 = 100

Now if you were to make everything generate less enmity you get something like,
1 X 100 = 100 actions you would still cap out at 100. Meaning whoever preforms the most actions the fastest would indeed get capped enmity first, but as the battle wore on more people would hit cap and you'd still be in the same boat, the mob going everywhere and no control at all.

Assuming anyone in your party/alliance is still alive. In all events where "tanking" would seem useful, the monsters are so overpowered that you wouldn't be able to survive long enough to enjoy your time as tank.

Personally, and I know this makes it sound a lot simpler than it is, but I think that non-tanking classes (read as: non-PLD, NIN, RNK, WAR) should have a lower cap on enmity, in addition of course to dramatically reducing enmity gained through damage.

[Kavik]

Assuming anyone in your party/alliance is still alive. In all events where "tanking" would seem useful, the monsters are so overpowered that you wouldn't be able to survive long enough to enjoy your time as tank.

Personally, and I know this makes it sound a lot simpler than it is, but I think that non-tanking classes (read as: non-PLD, NIN, RNK, WAR) should have a lower cap on enmity, in addition of course to dramatically reducing enmity gained through damage.

Unfortunately they have said already they will never do this because it amounts to the melee doing whatever the hell they want without any consequences, ie pulling hate.

Also, as to my animus suggestion, they could make it either an incredibly long recast or make it so they have the normal effect unless you use a certain strategem to make it the 'enhanced' properties I listed above, so you could not always control the enmity of every single person in the party, since you already cannot cast those spells outside of alliance.

[hiko]

Now if you were to make everything generate less enmity you get something like,
1 X 100 = 100 actions you would still cap out at 100. Meaning whoever preforms the most actions the fastest would indeed get capped enmity first, but as the battle wore on more people would hit cap and you'd still be in the same boat, the mob going everywhere and no control at all.

and monster HP will be lower!
let assume(random numbers and ideal world for easyness):
10 DD that parse equaly
300k hp monster
a-1dmg=1CE
all DD reach cap after 10*10kDMG=100k=33% of monster hp=> you spend 2/3 of the fight with caotic hate

b) lower it so 1dmg=0.5CE
your DD cap after 200kdmg you only spend 1/3 of the fight with chaotic hate, with some hate control you can spend near whole fight without chaotic enmity.

hiting enmity cap is not the issue, the issue is that when you hit it monster still have most of his HP, if you cap when monster is near dead it doesnt matter