BYE TANAKA!

[vienne]

Couldn't agree more, i'm sick of these R/M/E ppl crying. Nobody forced them to waste their lives doing that and they demand to have that old content to be always the top gear of the game.

I'm sick of the people crying about the people who are "crying", i'm also sick of the reference that people who care about their gear dont have lives, and you obviously have, although i dont know you. Its just an assumption and irrelevant.

[FrankReynolds]

iLevel for the loss...

[Demon6324236]

That's what I mean though, besides the gear SoA brought with it, everything has gotten better, but the fact it brought that gear and the item levels makes it seem like its gotten worse. Remove that one simple change and you have a better FFXI than when you made your original post, but outdating nearly everything in the game with the expansion was the change that soured the whole thing.

[Demon6324236]

If you spent 6 months of your life on a project only to have it taken away from you or rendered worthless, I am sure you would be 'crying' about it as well. Most people who made RMEs expected them to be around, especially after being upgraded 24 levels past their original forms in the case of R/Ms. Relics were the top weapons from the time they were introduced till Abyssea, they were then upgraded to keep up with weapons of the time, and were some of the best at 99, there was little reason for that to change when it worked, and especially when it was a goal many people still strived for. Now that is gone, and we see what good short term goals have brought us. I am not saying Relics held the game together, but they were a long term goal, and those goals are what did help hold it together, now, we do everything fast, get done, and have nothing to do, in my opinion.

[Spectreman]

If you spent 6 months of your life on a project only to have it taken away from you or rendered worthless, I am sure you would be 'crying' about it as well. Most people who made RMEs expected them to be around, especially after being upgraded 24 levels past their original forms in the case of R/Ms. Relics were the top weapons from the time they were introduced till Abyssea, they were then upgraded to keep up with weapons of the time, and were some of the best at 99, there was little reason for that to change when it worked, and especially when it was a goal many people still strived for. Now that is gone, and we see what good short term goals have brought us. I am not saying Relics held the game together, but they were a long term goal, and those goals are what did help hold it together, now, we do everything fast, get done, and have nothing to do, in my opinion.

If the project of you life is in a game then perhaps SE was doing you a favor for making it worthless so you could rethink your life. But you won't do it. Like i said, nobody forced you to waste 5 months of your life for that.

It is pretty stupid to ask for an online game that should always be changing and evolving to be stagnant forever in terms of the most important item in a RPG, the weapon. But, of course, for people that puts their life projects into a game, that really must hurt.

No more checks to your naked character in town must really affect your ego.

[Demon6324236]

If the project of you life is in a game then perhaps SE was doing you a favor for making it worthless so you could rethink your life. But you won't do it. Like i said, nobody forced you to waste 5 months of your life for that.

Did I say this was my lifes work? No, it was my ingame lifes work. I have a life and GF outside of this game which obviously rank much higher in priority than my Excalibur ever did. Just because it is only an ingame item or the fact I have a life outside of it does not make the fact it was outdated in the way it was any better. I spent about 6 months of doing Dynamis 3~4 times a week and spending any gil I made from Blinkers or VW on it. For what reason is it that my project I made in my spare time should be tossed aside in such a way?

It is pretty stupid to ask for an online game that should always be changing and evolving to be stagnant forever in terms of the most important item in a RPG, the weapon. But, of course, for people that puts their life projects into a game, that really must hurt.

Its equally stupid to allow a weapon that takes months to build to fall to the side in the wake of other gear which takes significantly less time, even though the developers do not change the requirements to obtain it. By your incredibly condescending tone in this argument one can only assume you have no RME, and that it drives your misguided view on the subject.

Keeping them the strongest weapons made them a reward for a large amount of effort people put in, a reward people could count on to be the top and be worth the effort, it worked. It also kept long term goals in the game which were always worth the effort, how many others held that kind of weight? I could go out and get anything else in the game, but I would know it has a high likelihood of being outdated, which could drive me away from it. But with the past of RMEs, I would have no reason to think that, I could take on the long term goal knowing I will have a reward at the end which stays with me forever.

No more checks to your naked character in town must really affect your ego.

If you really think I spent 6 months making my Excalibur so I could get checks or compliments, your incompetent.

I made Excalibur primarily for 2 reasons.

1. I have always been a RDM who melees and it is my main, as such, the first Relic and the first Empyrean I ever made were swords. I knew many people on Phoenix who did things like VW and because they knew I was a good RDM, they let me come, and I actually did good enough DMG on everything up to T4 that I was a viable DD. Excalibur only boosted that DD power more.

2. I wanted Excalibur as a sign of my determination on RDM to improve, and my dedication to that job rather than others. Many people now days question if anyone even really has a main job anymore, my way of showing my RDM was and is my main job was getting the best sword in the game for it. My PLD has no Aegis/Ochain, my BLU can not use Excalibur, I made it for RDM unquestionably, and proudly said that it was for RDM.



I did not make my Excalibur so I could afk and have others look at me in awe. I made it for other reasons, if you don't approve of them, oh well. All of this doesn't give you the right to act like you know me or anyone else who does when your talking about us all as though we are all the same jackass who just wants to flaunt their fortune or has no life and plays nothing but this.

Perhaps, if I was a person with 15 RMEs sitting in my inventory, and I constantly bragged about how my opinion mattered more than yours because I had them, you could say that, and it might be true. But that isn't the case, I own 2 RMEs, I probably will only ever own 3, and that's if I stay long enough to finish my RDM Mythic I am working on right now, my 3rd and final weapon.

[Anjou]

If the project of you life is in a game then perhaps SE was doing you a favor for making it worthless so you could rethink your life. But you won't do it. Like i said, nobody forced you to waste 5 months of your life for that.

It is pretty stupid to ask for an online game that should always be changing and evolving to be stagnant forever in terms of the most important item in a RPG, the weapon. But, of course, for people that puts their life projects into a game, that really must hurt.

No more checks to your naked character in town must really affect your ego.

The problem with your way of thinking Spectre, is that you're too hurtful in what you say. Why would anyone on God's green earth would ever take -you- seriously? You only make yourself seem more and more ignorant by saying people have no lives, aren't you playing the same game? But oh wait that's right, you haven't tried committing to anything so you won't know what it's like to have an accomplishment stomped into dust right in front of your eyes. These people took time, effort, and gil to make their weapons, and whether it was for e-peen or to just do the challenge, that's what gaming is all about. It's to give you a sense of accomplishment, it's the reason we as a whole collective of players continue to play this game. If it wasn't a challenge (A grindy challenge, but a challenge nonetheless) then you know what'd happen?




FFXI will die. What will you do with yourself then?

[predatory]

I don't have either a relic or a mythic, but I would sure love an Annihilator for my Rng, and the now totally unreachable Burtgang for my PLD, but before I go jumping through the hoops of building any R/M/E, I want to see what happens in November with regards to the R/M/E fixes.

Those of you that think Relics should just remain relics from the past, you are so wrong. When someone spends that much time and hard work on any single project, ingame or irl, there reward should be a lasting one. R/M/Es were real accomplishments that spanned a period of years in some cases, and should not have been so carelessly tossed aside by game developers in the first place. Took me a total of 6 hours from KI to fully upgraded Speleogen bow, and it's kind of shameful that it's so OP over the relic

[saevel]

Ok this is an MMORPG not a console RPG, so expecting any accomplishment to mean something long term is both ignorant and stupid.

That being said, Tanaka did create a patter of constant side-grades while leaving the ultimate weapons, well ultimate. The entire player base came to expect that as par for the course and when new leadership changed that, well you have the hate. Your anger isn't that they changed it (expecting no change in an online RPG is stupid), it's that SE had you expecting one thing while doing another. Thing is, we've gone through this exact set of issues before, during Abyssea. When SE released the crour sets and the +2 armor it obsoleted a lot of old gear. Futher then emp weapons beat out many of the previous super weapons (anyone remember Hagun) including relics. There were riots as relic holders moaned that Empy's were too easy and too powerful, it made many relics obsolete (not that many where that powerful to begin with).

Anyhow be glad Tanaka is gone, otherwise Delve would be 6,000 plasm for beating all six NM's with weapons costing 500,000 plasm. Or better yet individual randomized loot from each MB kill with only one slot for an item and the rest being logs and ores. Change is needed for MMO's to continue, especially in a game like FFXI where you can gear / level all jobs on one character.