FINAL FANTASY XI® Seekers of Adoulin

[Aldersyde]

You are right, there are lots of JP PS2 players so it would be unfair to drop PS2 support and ask them to upgrade. In the West hardly anyone plays on PS2. A lot of those who do only do so on PS3.

Christ almighty, PROVE THIS. Is a little empirical evidence too much ask? I don't give shit about your opinion, gut feeling or so-called educated guesses. Shit or get off the pot. When you do I'll shut up and let you go back to your totally irrational belief that by eliminating PS2 support, SE will somehow find the will and resources to vastly improve this game's player experience.

I'm not "butthurt" about anything. I play on PC for Christsakes. I may even convince myself to play the expansion without my PS2 dualbox character if SE convinces me its cool enough. When did elementary reading comprehension and following a conversation go from being a basic skill to a lost f*%king art?

[Llana_Virren]

Christ almighty, PROVE THIS. Is a little empirical evidence too much ask? I don't give shit about your opinion, gut feeling or so-called educated guesses. Shit or get off the pot. When you do I'll shut up and let you go back to your totally irrational belief that by eliminating PS2 support, SE will somehow find the will and resources to vastly improve this game's player experience.

I'm not "butthurt" about anything. I play on PC for Christsakes. I may even convince myself to play the expansion without my PS2 dualbox character if SE convinces me its cool enough. When did elementary reading comprehension and following a conversation go from being a basic skill to a lost f*%king art?

SE already proved it via their actions. SE is a business. Businesses do what is most economic. If there was enough of a player base on PS2 in NA, they'd still be getting support.

[Aldersyde]

SE already proved it via their actions. SE is a business. Businesses do what is most economic. If there was enough of a player base on PS2 in NA, they'd still be getting support.

Uh, FFXIV...?

Actions don't prove anything, people make bad decisions on faulty/incomplete/without regard to available information all the time.

[Arcon]

Christ almighty, PROVE THIS. Is a little empirical evidence too much ask?

Yes, because no one can provide such evidence. Sometimes best guesses are all there is to work with. And you're doing nothing else. You're screaming discrimination when you have absolutely zero evidence that that's what's going on. You say that PC gaming is not big in Japan, also with zero evidence (and which I believe to be wrong). Yet you condemn others for doing the same thing?

[Dazusu]

Christ almighty, PROVE THIS. Is a little empirical evidence too much ask?

No solid evidence, but I do recall a poll done by SE a while ago on what platform people were using to play. It's quite possible that this decision is based on the outcome of that. I mean, what other logical reason could they have not to publish it in the USA? 'regional discrimination?'...

Also, you're spewing mad. It's delicious.

[RagingAvatar]

If you think this game is going to get a lot of engine upgrades etc. if they drop PS2, you're wrong. It won't. There's still loads of ways they could push PS2 but that haven't.

There's no reason they couldn't have started using much better quality textures and lighting on 360/PC but they haven't.

360 and PC could be using a deferred renderer but it doesn't.

Don't kid yourselves guys that this game is going to get a whole bunch of upgrades - *that* wouldn't make economic sense.

Releasing (as a download) the PS2 content that a) will have already been made for Japan and b) has already been localised for PC and 360 has *nothing* to do with economics.

Releasing a disc version obviously does - but I can get over not having a disc version but asking for a download isn't asking for too much.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Uh, FFXIV...?

Actions don't prove anything, people make bad decisions on faulty/incomplete/without regard to available information all the time.

Which was worked on almost immediately by removing the "problem" that was killing it and putting it back in charge of FFXI, then hiring competent people.

FFXIV was a failure because they did a BETA and listened to NONE of it's BETA testers, they've learned from their mistake.

If you think this game is going to get a lot of engine upgrades etc. if they drop PS2, you're wrong. It won't. There's still loads of ways they could push PS2 but that haven't.

It wont because it's cost ineffective. PS2 really can't be pushed much further, it's on it's last legs as it is. Hello "Auto Translate" etc....

[RagingAvatar]

Removed - I was making a pointless argument.

[Vold]

Don't kid yourselves guys that this game is going to get a whole bunch of upgrades - *that* wouldn't make economic sense.

Yet it is getting a whole bunch of upgrades for the windows version. People also said it didn't make economic sense to make another expansion. Have we not learned yet that we're not knowitalls and that SE can do whatever the hell it wants/can with what dev crew they have?

But there is one thing I'm certain of and feel perfectly confident to say without a shred of doubt: It makes perfect sense to give an aging MMO upgrades. It's not about bringing in new players. It's about keeping existing players for as long as possible. If someone can't grasp that simple concept then there's no hope for them. When it comes to MMOs it can do a whole bunch of good to update your game to whatever extent you can. It absolutely breathes new life into a game by keeping it interesting.

SE understands this perfectly as they are spending resources on updating the windows version, and that's all that matters. I question their wisdom at times with some of the choices they make, but they certainly do understand what I am saying. It's only a matter of what their opinion is on us the players - can we or can we not live with say, no graphical updates. Or whatever. That's all it boils down to. They still bring in a shitmillion dollars every month. To say they are limited with what they can do due to income is lol. They could afford hundreds of new developers to put on FFXI. We don't need hundreds. We just need one to start work on a face lift to the game.

Point is, if SE wants to do it then they'll do it, and no amount of "gamer wisdom" via us to prove otherwise will change that.


Now, as far as this expansion goes, to us it may be as simple as throwing the exp files up online for download but obviously something is stopping that. It costs a lot more money to go through the disc format than it does online(case of gamer wisdom there? SE can be the judge since they know for a fact if it's true or not) Either there are technical reasons the PS2 outside of Japan is getting the shaft(like the Japanese have access to super PS2s or something because Sony still supports it in their country due to ease of doing so)or SE is in the beginning phrases of giving the PS2 das boot. Start with the extremely small PS2 base outside of Japan as a clear message to those in Japan, better start saving up for that 100 dollar computer over the next 3 years 'cause you're next.

[Zerich]

Christ almighty, PROVE THIS. Is a little empirical evidence too much ask? I don't give shit about your opinion, gut feeling or so-called educated guesses. Shit or get off the pot. When you do I'll shut up and let you go back to your totally irrational belief that by eliminating PS2 support, SE will somehow find the will and resources to vastly improve this game's player experience.

I'm not "butthurt" about anything. I play on PC for Christsakes. I may even convince myself to play the expansion without my PS2 dualbox character if SE convinces me its cool enough. When did elementary reading comprehension and following a conversation go from being a basic skill to a lost f*%king art?

Someone's angry...

1) Walk into Gamestop.
2) Look at the walls.
3) Ask employee about new PS2 releases.
4) Open any videogame magazine (sans RETROGamer or Nintendo Power) and find the PS2 reviews and previews.

If you were able to find out about any new or relevant PS2 software information, then you are in a wormhole and have found a way to trascend time and space. And for that, I congratulate you.