Phoenix on Vanafest Poster!?

[Sotek]

Like Alexander, eh?

Alexander has plenty of pre-established moves, considering you fight the damn thing. The only reason Perfect Defense is the only thing we got is because SE was being SE.

[Llana_Virren]

Alexander has plenty of pre-established moves, considering you fight the damn thing. The only reason Perfect Defense is the only thing we got is because SE was being SE.

Fighting Phoenix is totally different than summoning him. Aside from being able to BP an AOE Auto-Arise, Phoenix really wouldn't offer much. As a battle, I could see it being fun, to a point, but how many times would you let an NM reraise itself?

Point being, SE will always be SE, and any new summon will be a one trick pony. Summoning as a whole would need to be adjusted to change that.

[Sotek]

Fighting Phoenix is totally different than summoning him. Aside from being able to BP an AOE Auto-Arise, Phoenix really wouldn't offer much. As a battle, I could see it being fun, to a point, but how many times would you let an NM reraise itself?

Point being, SE will always be SE, and any new summon will be a one trick pony. Summoning as a whole would need to be adjusted to change that.

Well thats good, because I'm not talking about summoning Phoenix? I'm sorry but you've lost me, fighting Phoenix? I suggested fighting Selh'teus for a Pinion which works in almost the exact same way as FFVIII.
Granted that could easily be adapted to work in the exact same way as Perfect Defense and Zantetsuken, but I remember a time when people were outraged by the idea of a 2Hr summon and a 2Hr summon for Arise alone just seems silly, if it came to that I'd probably just scold the SMN for not using PD before wiping.

That said, my suggestion would require substantially more work just to have it function correctly, but I think it would be worth it just for how epic it would be to randomly have Phoenix pop by and unwipe your alliance. No player action require apart from completing the quest. Other than technical issues there is really no reason not to do something like this, it has no impact on job balance and its a far greater reward for a story arc than a stupid earring.

[hideka]

No she isn't. There is no flaming bird on there, just a Zapdos.
They've not dropped any hints either. A poster with ALL the avatars on it hardly constitutes as a hint, by that logic Leviathan will play a part in this expansion because Levi is on that poster and there are numerous generic sea serpents on the expansions art work.



And what, prey tell, would the rest of her moves consist of? Phoenix is typically a one trick pony, that doesn't justify a fully fledged summon at all. Even in CoP the most she does is one fire ball then she's out for the rest of the expansion.

phoenix could do plenty.
and imnot seeing leviathan bro. im seeing sharks bears ultros, PHEONIX (the artist obviously sucks and cant draw anything other than pokemon), the white mist dragon from ff4 and some other swirly crap. not leviathan >_>

[Sotek]

phoenix could do plenty.
and imnot seeing leviathan bro. im seeing sharks bears ultros, PHEONIX (the artist obviously sucks and cant draw anything other than pokemon), the white mist dragon from ff4 and some other swirly crap. not leviathan >_>

Seriously? The bird is yellow, not red. Not to mention it has feathers and isn't made of fire.

I'm not saying Leviathan is on there, he isn't. Reductio ad absurdum, look it up.

[Edyth]

Few things. Spoilers ahead.

Phoenix is not in Attohwa Chasm. She's dead right now. Of all avatars, Phoenix is the one that's dead, and her spirit is in Tenzen's blade.

Secondly, in real life, fire is more yellow than red, and Phoenix is more yellow than red in her first appearance:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...FV-Phoenix.gif

And no design has been released of her in FFXI, so the color of the bird in that art is irrelevant, Sotek. Also, Phoenix is rarely made entirely of fire in the FF series. Look it up on the FF wiki.

[Sotek]

Few things. Spoilers ahead.

Phoenix is not in Attohwa Chasm. She's dead right now. Of all avatars, Phoenix is the one that's dead, and her spirit is in Tenzen's blade.

Secondly, in real life, fire is more yellow than red, and Phoenix is more yellow than red in her first appearance:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...FV-Phoenix.gif

And no design has been released of her in FFXI, so the color of the bird in that art is irrelevant, Sotek. Also, Phoenix is rarely made entirely of fire in the FF series. Look it up on the FF wiki.

Did you even read the OP? Seriously, there is a design for FFXIs Phoenix right there and oh look, it looks nothing like Zapdos.