I know I kinda bailed on the topic I made, but I was really just asking for something like an AoE Flash or something that would help me get hate on alot of mobs at once for basically the not Jeuno VW fights they've introduced that have additional mobs, or something like Fistule where he spawns in additional mobs as a rough example. I've just noticed they been adding in alot of fights like that where extras keep spawning midfights as of late and not much a tank can really do besides toss native Flash with a long cooldown or... Banish 1 + 2, without having to change targets mid fight to get a hit or two in to have the mob's attention.

Just looking to see if SE plans to update PLD to keep it up with the times, now that we've hit the hopefully final cap increase.

In retrospect to my issue in the main post, I learnt from doing additional VW fights like Bismark and a few others that the effective way is for PLD to flash claim and hold the VWNM until his adds spawn and wail away on the PLD, then have DDs yank the main NM off while PLD sits back and does alot of nothing as Ochain blocks all the minion attacks. Not really engaging combat on my part, and if a mage or melee somehow had an AoE land on a single minion mob, the entire pack would swarm them and I'd be stuck with my gripe of having no effective ways to get the rowdy group back under control until whoever pulled hate died, or I pull hate over whatever it was they did. Then toss in the fact that any person that healed them would then have hate on the mobs and leave me with the task to find the one that was missing HP in a group of tightly woven roaming pack to yank hate on it was kinda not the easiest thing to do in a panic situation as /p is exploding and everyone's trying to figure out what went wrong.

Dunno, just my two cents for consideration, if they're looking for honest feedback about ways to improve PLD performance in VW and other events, current and future. Better ways than having a BRD/PLD in party to cover the one proc needed.