SMN Atmas

[Malamasala]

I was thinking that myself. Beyond should also add damage to Light attacks, though if my memory is right I always felt it was lackluster as well. (Like doing 700-800 damage holy mist, and that it had 30 MAB as well so it seemed way too low)

But if you think about it holy was nerfed back in the days, so it could just be SE's old nerf kicking in that is in place to make WHMs less powerful. Perhaps Holy is simply "unmodifiable" since then.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Holy Mist is lackluster because Carbuncle's job is Whm really, he has no natural MAB traits. Not to mention it's coupled with low base damage in the first place last I checked.

[Karbuncle]

The combo i use for Magical BPs is Beyond/Minikin/Ultimate (Cause I use Shiva almost exclusively, But i change it up sometimes based on Mob Resistance (To Ice, or to Magic in general) and mix things up with Garuda.)

That isn't the "Best Damage" combo, But i Use Minikin cause it does offer 50INT (about 25MAB) and 10mp/tic Refresh which i would never give up XD.

For Physical BPs i usually do VV/RR/Mini for Damage/MP conservation. again, not the best in terms of raw damage... but 10mp/tic Refresh I find hard to give up.

But I'm usually low-manning so i don't get Ballad III/II, refresh II, most of the time =x, with those theres more leniency .



Also, As far as Holy mist/Meteorite Goes, I'm 99% positive its effected by Beyond/Ultimate/etc. Holy Mountain is probably just broken.

I thought Holy Mountain gave light Resistance though? Not Light Elemental Attack? its been a long time since i checked it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It says it gives both but it might be a mistranslation, or broken.

[Karbuncle]

It says it gives both but it might be a mistranslation, or broken.

Most "Gain Full Benefits of XXday/weather" don't come with the Elemental:Major, Maybe it is a glitch. I could go check it out easily on SMN right now, Just pop Carby, Hit something in the face with Holy Mist, Then put on the Atma of the Holy Mountain, Repeat, then Atma of the Beyond (Same :Major Value) and check the 3.

Would be pretty obvious in that light. I'll go do that.

[Karbuncle]

Okay. Test is Finished. For the test i wore Carby-Mitts, Fay Crozier.
Atmas that stayed on: Minikin.
Ability Used: Holy Mist

Test1: Atma of the Holy Mountain
Target: Manigordo
DMG: 925

Test2: No Extra Atma
Target: Manigordo
DMG:909 (could be mob level variation)

Test3: Atma of the Beyond
Target: Manigordo
DMG: 1436


my Conclusion, even discounting the 30MAB from Beyond, Its enough to see that Atma of the Holy Mountain is broken, and does not give any Benefits to light Elemental Damage (At least to Avatars)

[Dallas]

I'd love to hear what made you change your mind about Favor. I haven't noticed anything different and only seen even less use now that I have more -perpetuation gear.

24% DA with Ifrits Favor and somewhere around 440 SMN magic, per wiki. I still haven't figured out how to abuse it, but I want to.

[Malamasala]

Hot numbers. Though I've never noticed any awesomeness from using it when I tested. Perhaps most people have too much haste for it to really be noticable? Constant attacks vs constant attacks with extra attacks added.

Should you get some 50% DA with WAR sub? Or am I just wishing too much bonus on the DA part of WAR?

[Dallas]

I suppose you could use it on yourself, but you'd be wearing all +smn magic gear, which sucks, and losing the benefit of stacked haste which sucks more. 23% gear + Hasso + Hastega is as good as 92% double attack.

I'm thinking the practical application of Ifrit's favor will be in a Emp Weapon WS situation that does not normally get the aftermath bonus. I'm guessing Myrkr doesn't double attack though. 120% MP anyone?