SMN Atmas

[MrButter]

Don't underestimate the power of Lion/Blinding Horn and Ramuh's Thunderstorm. You can get some very impressive damage off of it, especially with merits and mana cede.

[Papesse]

I will also check once the servers are back. I'm 99% certain MM + Lion + Blinding Horn beats MM + Ultimate + Lion or even Ultimate + Lion + Blinding Horn. (and 100% sure MM + Claw outdmg MM + Ultimate for Geocrush, with or without Baying Moon)

[Malamasala]

What is this talk about guard? They simply have 50% physical damage reduction. You know, like how you have damage reduction on slimes (unless slimes are awesome MNKs with guard).

I also do not understand the point of savior atma. Stats do nothing for us, and resist is pointless except for amnesia. The damage absorption exists on other atmas. Atma of Aquatic ardor for example. (And depending on what you are fighting, a physical absorption may be enough since avatars die fast if they are incorrectly nuked anyway)

I'm interested in hearing if it is 30% or 40% on majors though.

[Dallas]

What is this talk about guard? They simply have 50% physical damage reduction. You know, like how you have damage reduction on slimes (unless slimes are awesome MNKs with guard).

Look at Ducal Guard. You have to either convince yourself that:

1) SE accidentally coded DG so that avatars AND ONLY avatars are always considered to be at 50% health.
2) SE added a cap without fixing the error

Or

1) Avatars have always had 100% guard rate, -50% DT when guarding. DG stacked, working as intended.
2) SE added a cap

One requires a significant amount of fail, and the other is a simple oversight. Believe what you will, we've moved on.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: True for the Smn not really benefitting from the stat increase unless you have Twilight cloak or something...

[Malamasala]

One requires a significant amount of fail, and the other is a simple oversight. Believe what you will, we've moved on.

From my experience, "significant amount of fail" is a synonym for Summoner and has always been. Spirits anyone? Summoning skill over cap system anyone? +1 second to 30 second wards extension anyone?

I think siphon is probably the only thing SE ever got right.

[Dallas]

That's funny to me, seeing how quickly we were *slightly* nerfed. SMN is inches away from insanely powerful. SE has even converted my opinion on Favor.

[Malamasala]

I'd love to hear what made you change your mind about Favor. I haven't noticed anything different and only seen even less use now that I have more -perpetuation gear.

[Dallas]

I'd love to hear what made you change your mind about Favor. I haven't noticed anything different and only seen even less use now that I have more -perpetuation gear.

24% DA with Ifrits Favor and somewhere around 440 SMN magic, per wiki. I still haven't figured out how to abuse it, but I want to.

[Papesse]

Here's are my findings about our magical atmas. I have been somewhat surprised.

I was wearing Shareeravadi +2/Eidolon Pendant/Tiresia's Cape/Caller's Sash (Pet MAB+17), Caller's Doublet +2 (BP DMG +10%) and Caller's Spats +2 (50% TP bonus)
The target was Flame Skimmer. (who seems to have some form of strong MDB/MDT but whatever)


Thunderstorm (lvl 1)
Base DMG : 1007
Lion : 1310 (+30% confirmed)
Blinding Horn : 1310 (+30% confirmed)

Lion/Blinding Horn : 1611
MM/Lion : 1589
Ultimate/Lion : 1711

Lion/Blinding Horn/MM : 1956
Lion/MM/Ultimate : 2077
Lion/Blinding Horn/Ultimate : 2106


Geocrush (lvl 5)
Base DMG : 1464
Claw : 1903 (+30% confirmed)
MM : 1730
Ultimate : 1914

Claw/MM/Savior (total INT+80) : 2459
Claw/Ultimate/Baying Moon (total MAB+80) : 2836
Claw/MM/Ultimate : 2939


Grand Fall (lvl 1)
Base DMG : 1007
Noxious Fang : 1410 (+40% confirmed)


Wind Blade (lvl 1)
Base DMG : 1007
Gales : 1310 (+30% confirmed)


Meteor Strike (lvl 1)
Base DMG : 1007
Smoldering Sky : 1310 (+30% confirmed)
Lone Wolf : 1310 (+30% confirmed)


Heavenly Strike (lvl 1)
Base DMG : 1007
Baying Moon : 1193
Beyond : 1551 (+30% confirmed)


Lunar Bay
Base DMG : 975
Cosmos : 1366 (+40% confirmed)


Holy Mist
Base DMG : 699
Holy Mountain : 699 (???? bugged...)

Meteorite
Base DMG : 543
Holy Mountain : 543...

Conclusions (or Confirmations I should say) :
- MAB Superior > Element Major > INT Superior (my apologies, you were right Nacht)
- Noxious Fang and Cosmos have +40% DMG element.
- All others atmas with Element Major have the same potency (+30%). Beyond is of course above everything because of the MAB+30.
- Holy Mountain do not have any DMG bonus on Light.