[byr1001] Uncapping the Merit Point Categories

[Demon6324236]

Hmm~ since others are bumping threads they like, I guess Ill bump this one as well... bump.

[Demon6324236]

137 Likes people come on! SE why cant we have this!?

[Nala]

Because they are taking their time to come up with a more plausible BS answer that we cant defraud in .25 seconds of them making.

[Yinnyth]

Fellow posters, I challenge you. Come up with a situation where the above proposed change would alter the way we do any event. Where it would make something noticeably easier. Where it would affect the "balance" of anything. Try!

Corsair. Rolls are like a minigame. Full merits in everything makes it so snake-eye has a 50% chance to force XI. With AF2+2+aug, you have a 20% chance of it not using the recast timer. If you bust, your bust duration is cut by 50 seconds, though you could just fold, giving you a 50% chance to reset random deal. Random deal with AF2+2+aug never fails to reset at least 1 JA, and has a chance to restore a second JA. Once you get good rolls up, winning streak with AF2+2+aug gives you an extra 2 minutes and 10 seconds of duration. Scrambling to put rolls on becomes much easier because your phantom roll recast would be decreased by 10 seconds.

All in all, it makes it too easy to keep good rolls on. I play corsair a lot more than I play bard lately. I enjoy becoming more powerful as a character. However, I'm completely willing to admit when me gaining strength becomes unbalancing to the game.

Many merit options are almost completely worthless, you are correct about that. I would rather see those options made as useful as their counterparts than have us given access to everything all the time. Either that, or make it so it's possible to buy all the merits you want, but you only get to equip the same number of merits before leaving the mog house. Because enmity +5 and -5 say hi.

[Komori]

You can achieve something in a smaller amount of actions that you would have just forced the game to give you anyway? That's overpowered?

[Yinnyth]

Please go into more detail. How do you force the game to give you quadruple XIs, and how much time does your party spend with only 1 or 0 rolls on waiting for you to accomplish this goal? How does full merits in all of COR's job-specific merits not make this substantially easier, particularly if you happen to have full AF2+2+aug?

You seem to operate on the assumption that corsairs are always as good as their best roll. You've gotta know when to hold them and when to fold them. That's part of the job. If I had full merits in all categories, I could vastly improve the average effectiveness of my corsair's buffs. Admittedly, other jobs would not benefit as much as corsair (like... all my other jobs.) He wanted one example though, and I gave him one.

Also:

You can achieve something in a smaller amount of actions that you would have just forced the game to give you anyway? That's overpowered?

There are limits to how easy you(I mean you in the direct sense, not the abstract sense) want to make things as well. You are welcome to your opinions, but that is all they are. Opinions. You think 5/5 on all COR job merits is not overpowered? You're welcome to your opinion.

However, let's say this change actually happens. How many threads do you think would be created based around "Job A got jack squat from this change while Job B gets too much love YET AGAIN!!! ZOMG, BARANCE!" if these changes were implemented? Some jobs would benefit more than others, and that would have to be taken into consideration.

It is still my opinion that it is better to improve the unused merit abilities than to give us all the merit abilities all the time. I prefer diversity to uniformity.

[Seha]

There's no diversity anyway as merits are pretty cut and dry...and wtf cor merits too overpowered? Really? Out of all jobs? Please.

[Byrth]

COR merits are nice, but I don't think hitting 11s slightly more frequently/with less annoyance or having your rolls last longer is really that overpowered. If anything, the annoyance that is buffing on COR is a major problem with the job and should be fixed. I hate waiting a minute and a half for COR to provide their inconsistent buffs (assuming no re-rolls) when a BRD can apply four equally strong or stronger buffs in half the time.

[Pebe]

I kind of agree about the cor rolls being overpowered. There is a HUGE difference between not having 11 chaos and fighters and having them. The interesting thing about cor merits is that there is a choice: More frequent 11s vs. Longer duration rolls. Insert really annoying balance comment here.

Another example is sch.
I have 5/5 Focalization merits, 1/5 enlightenment and 4/5 stormsurge. Let me tell you this, 5/5 focalization is pretty much like elemental seal on a charge. It is massive macc+. The sacrifice you have to make for it though is either stormsurge or equanimity(spelling). Equanimity itself is also overpowered, I believe its full effect is -50 enmity that breaks the cap(not sure about this, haven’t looked into it in a while. Now imagine uncapping all merits: SCH not only gets an elemental seal that works on both light arts and dark arts, they also get access to extremely potent enmity- abilities. People may say such things may not matter now in a time of when everything is zerged, but thinking to the future of SoA we need to be careful. People forget how powerful sch’s 2hr was before embrava, because embrava overshadows everything. In 60 seconds schs could pull out 10 extremely potent, mp efficient, quick casting, accurate nukes(focalization). Toss on equanimity and they become hateless, not to mention now sch has three mins to go bat crazy nuking with this 2hr. IMO, tabula rasa is far more potent than manafont and chainspell. But now I’m going on a tangent. Oh and equanimity pretty much make the tranquil heart tiers irrelevant imo.

Even though I’m debating it, I still would vote for yes to uncapping the merit point categories. Bepe needs some shattersoul for his soon be finished claustrum :P.

[Raksha]

Tranquil Heart only affects healing magic.

Yeah with all of the other changes SCH 2hr would be retarded with 5/5 in all merit categories, but let's get real here.

Blm can nuke nuke nuke convert nuke nuke nuke while keeping mana wall up then enmity douse to shed all of their hate every 10 minutes.

The only edge SCH would have in that regard is maybe some extra macc and and the alacrity bonus (and i've always maintained that alacrity is the strongest stratagem SCH has)


maxing all of SCH merits would be a substantial bonus, don't get me wrong, but I dont think it'd be overpowered.