Pulse Cells

[Demon6324236]

lol

too easy.

is this guy serious?>

I'm sure we both are, I can understand the idea that price could go down, myself I would like the idea of them being somewhat cheap, but it comes down to a few options. You have 3 T3 Zilart NMs for pouches. Aello, hard, has annoying pets you will need a PLD for, and can cause trouble if spells arnt stunned/procs arnt coming at a steady pace, drops nothing notable outside of the Swords, Plates & possibly Pants. Uptala, annoying, has pets, but drops a good body piece with higher demand that more people want, and can be made a joke if fought right, also drops plates. Qilin, easy to kill, pets come in midfight and are easily avoidable so long as the fight is done quickly enough, drops good dagger for THF or DNC, along with plates & a nice STP neck with some accuracy.

Something that worries me the most about this however is probably the fact of shouts, I watch shouts often and so far as things are on this server there are normally 1~2 Qilin & Uptala shouts a day, sometimes both in 1 shout doing them back to back, however... Aello has a shout every 2~4 days at best, sometimes I go a week without seeing them, it is not due to lack of trying or missing them, I watch on AH.com when not in Jeuno and I afk in Jeuno when I sleep, they very rarely happen, and unless this changes I see the price being fairly high because of it, that in itself may very well heighten the amount of partys after Aello though, so I cant be sure.

[Mahoro]

Actually I was meaning 20~30mil each ;; I figure the drop rate of that sword being roughly 1~.01% and not many people seem to do Aello without actually wanting the sword themselves the price will be very very high. I expect my Ephemeron to run me about as much as my Excalibur simply due to few Aello runs done on this server combined with the extremely low drop rate. Items such as T3 Jeuno & T4 City bodys might be cheaper, but I think at best I will be looking at about 10mil for each cell for Ephemeron. I still think HQ weapons like Ephemeron have what seem to be a lower drop rate and should only be 2~3 cells not 5 like the bodys, but eh, just my experience from it.

Er, 20-30M for 1/5th of a Pulse weapon? I can't see any scenario under which people will sell for that much. Even if they do, hardly anybody will buy. I can't see people deeming Ephemeron to be worth 100-150M.

[Komori]

The only way people can keep prices inflated is if you people buy them. The pulse cells are worthless to someone who can't use or doesn't want the item, so any price is better than nothing for them.
But don't be mistaken that they'll try and milk it, just don't buy it until it reaches a price you deem alright.

[Demon6324236]

Er, 20-30M for 1/5th of a Pulse weapon? I can't see any scenario under which people will sell for that much. Even if they do, hardly anybody will buy. I can't see people deeming Ephemeron to be worth 100-150M.

Neither can I but the drop rates are the cause, lower drop rate=higher cost, there are many things in this game that people price very unreasonably due to low drop rates even if the fights are simple and easy. Rarity of the shouts for this NM on my server along with the incredibly low drop rate leads me to believe it will be incredibly over priced, 20~30mil only comes to mind for the reason that I figure plates are about a 10~20% drop rate from what I have seen and are ranging about 1mil~1.5mil each depending on luck or selling the pouches without opening them. In 40 fights with 18 people 2 people have gotten an Ephemeron, this suggests that its a 1/360 chance, where as a pouch is 1/10~1/5 chance. Also count in the fact the person getting the Ephemeron in their chest chose to make it a cell and not keep it, thus giving up a chance at this rare sword, I think the price could be that high, warranted or not. Ephemeron is a cool sword, but I would never place it as high as a relic, even if it does look cool and have amazing stats.

[Komori]

If the price is insane, don't buy it. Price eventually goes down, only stupid impatients will keep the price up.

[Llana_Virren]

If the price is insane, don't buy it. Price eventually goes down, only stupid impatients will keep the price up.

And then we complain that SE never does anything worthwhile, because the things they do impliment are unsupported as a result of conditions such as these.

Screw spiffy little tickets. Allow people to add any of their pyxis spoils to the treasure pool. A player should be in the fight to get a reward, not lurking in Port Jeuno spending the big gilz.

[Demon6324236]

And then we complain that SE never does anything worthwhile, because the things they do impliment are unsupported as a result of conditions such as these.

Screw spiffy little tickets. Allow people to add any of their pyxis spoils to the treasure pool. A player should be in the fight to get a reward, not lurking in Port Jeuno spending the big gilz.

5 cells are also fail, look at the idea of it in general, you have to buy 5 of an item from someone who basically got your drop already but turned it into a cell instead of taking it to make 1 of the same armor, I wonder why we need 5 anyways, is the armor made so where its genetically bonded to the person who gets it in their box rewards, then you must break off pieces of other pieces of that same armor to have a man hiding behind an outpost put it together the same way it was inside of the box, but now it genetically locks to you?

[Dragoy]

It's “OK” because in the grand scale, it is balanced, because some people do get stuff.

Probably not the best place to put this but... until I think of a better thread: I've been trying to think of the best way to put it for a long time, like at least since I did about 273 runs of the Egg Enthusiast, and other such quests where it almost always seems like you get more of certain type of seals (which is exactly what happens).

• Player A does the run for 100 times, and gets lots more of the item he, she, or other does not want.
• Balance -- activate!
• Player B does the run for 100 times, and gets basically the opposite items.

The unfortunate thing is, that these numbers usually need to be around the thousands for people to actually see the drop rates balance out, and what is more, this kind of a system is definitely discriminating against any and all individuals, some more than others (did I hear someone mention luck?).

I think this is usually why players will report messed up drop-rates (though at times, there actually was something wrong).


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[Monchat]

Um your brother is pchan? Don't start calling people clueless..

Talk to the hand.

You're the dude who wipes to adl 90% of the time, then makes a youtube video of a single LUCKY win, just to proove a point.

NO honey, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

My success rate on ADL is 75%. I made 30 marrow in the last 2 weeks with 7 poping runs (42 attempts).

Back on topic: I also saw several mextli harness cells for 500k, meikira cells for ~7Mil. We are far from your "insane prices".

[Verytus]

Hey guys, I can see this thread has some great points being made, but we should try not to let it get derailed through personal attacks on one another. We appreciate all of your enthusiasm toward FFXI, so let's try and keep it constructive!