Report Those User Agreement Violations!

[Dragoy]

Zyla420,

The reason why I think they're not really comparing is because this is quite something that is up to the moderator to decide on how to handle it, while speeding can, and will actually endanger lives so it's obviously a bit more concerning if the police does not play by the book, so to speak.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

if you're speeding going 65 mph in a 45 mph zone, and a cop pulls you over but didn't see the asshole that flew past you doin 80, does that change the fact that you're still in trouble and getting a fine?

Car analogies? In my internets?

Let's go with that analogy, but make a few adjustments.

1. The speed limit on this stretch of Interstate is 55
2. I was caught going 60.
3. Every speed limit sign on the road is behind a tree or otherwise obscured.
4. Every other car on the busy road is going 65+

Without The Rules in plain view (they're hidden away on the support pages), it's only natural to "go with the flow" and use the already established pattern of behavior of everyone else. However, when everyone else is also breaking The Rules, this allows the enforcers to pick and choose how to enforce by personal whim (e. g. DWB).

This highlights systemic problems.

1. The rules, as written, are unenforceable, even if S-E chooses not to acknowledge (let alone admit) this. Any honest, good faith attempt at enforcement by S-E would bring everything to a grinding halt.
2. Even if the rules were enforceable, if they were actually enforced, these forums would end up being useless, both to players (who would go elsewhere to vent their frustrations) and to S-E (who would be trying to harvest feedback from empty forums).

It also permits abuse by moderators. It could be intentional or unintentional, and it could even be real or imagined. But even having the appearance of abuse degrades people's sense of trust and faith in the system overall and the enforcers in particular (e. g. DWB).

It's funny that you use speed limits in your analogy, as I've long since made a habit of religiously setting my cruise control at the speed limit, much to the anger and frustration of countless drivers who have been behind me. My general philosophy is that, if one has a problem with a rule, one should work to change the rule rather than to simply ignore it; after all, with respect to speed limits, you are able to vote for or against the people who set them.

Of course, I can't "vote" here (and, in fact, literally signed away most of my rights just by being here), but there are other ways one can agitate for change.

[Llana_Virren]

Car analogies? In my internets?

Let's go with that analogy, but make a few adjustments.

1. The speed limit on this stretch of Interstate is 55
2. I was caught going 60.
3. Every speed limit sign on the road is behind a tree or otherwise obscured.
4. Every other car on the busy road is going 65+

Without The Rules in plain view (they're hidden away on the support pages), it's only natural to "go with the flow" and use the already established pattern of behavior of everyone else. However, when everyone else is also breaking The Rules, this allows the enforcers to pick and choose how to enforce by personal whim (e. g. DWB).

This highlights systemic problems.

1. The rules, as written, are unenforceable, even if S-E chooses not to acknowledge (let alone admit) this. Any honest, good faith attempt at enforcement by S-E would bring everything to a grinding halt.
2. Even if the rules were enforceable, if they were actually enforced, these forums would end up being useless, both to players (who would go elsewhere to vent their frustrations) and to S-E (who would be trying to harvest feedback from empty forums).

It also permits abuse by moderators. It could be intentional or unintentional, and it could even be real or imagined. But even having the appearance of abuse degrades people's sense of trust and faith in the system overall and the enforcers in particular (e. g. DWB).

It's funny that you use speed limits in your analogy, as I've long since made a habit of religiously setting my cruise control at the speed limit, much to the anger and frustration of countless drivers who have been behind me. My general philosophy is that, if one has a problem with a rule, one should work to change the rule rather than to simply ignore it; after all, with respect to speed limits, you are able to vote for or against the people who set them.

Of course, I can't "vote" here (and, in fact, literally signed away most of my rights just by being here), but there are other ways one can agitate for change.

The (unfortunate) reality with this scenario (and the scenarios it alludes to), is that if you are speeding, you're guilty, regardless of the comparative guilt of other people.

I say it is an unfortunate reality because, more often than not, the "they're guilty too, but you're the one who got caught" line is usually fed to avoid actually addressing the issues of bias and favoritism.