Report Those User Agreement Violations!

[Randwolf]

There was no "argument" and, with the offending post being a single sentence about 15 words long, no opportunity for confusion about exactly what it was I did wrong. My sarcastic tone warranted the moderators' invoking of the "negative impact" rule, but the "criticising Square Enix staff" rule could only have applied in the broadest possible sense: speaking ill of man-hour distribution between XI and XIV is verboten.

Suggesting that rules enforcement around here is random and haphazard is, by itself, against the rules. Therefore, the only thing left to do is try to aid consistent and even-handed enforcement, while encouraging others to do the same.

You got spanked and, pretty much, no one cares. People are not going to start hitting the report button like crazy because, again, no one cares. Take your punishment like a man (or woman) and quit crying. It's not like everyone is blind to what you are hoping will happen. Get on with your life.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

It's not like everyone is blind to what you are hoping will happen.

Good, because I can't say it out loud without violating the Square Enix Account Terms of Use.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I still like how a third of the people on the forum post things that highlight their ToS violations in game.

[wildsprite]

I can say it, you're hoping everyone who says something against SE staff will end up butt hurt like you, you really are just wasting energy with this because, the only one's that agree with you had the same happen to them already, move on, it isn't worth it

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I can say it, you're hoping everyone who says something against SE staff will end up butt hurt like you

No, that's not it at all. Please try again.

[wildsprite]

I love how you select the parts you like and ignore the rest of the post, it isn't worth it, what you are attempting wont likely even make a dent, good luck though

[Dragoy]

I agree with him (I saw the 'offending' post as well I think, and it's ridonkulous actually that it would ever warrant a punishment of any kind here, or anywhere else). And no, I've not had any such thing happen to myself.

Calling him 'butt-hurt' and all that is definitely far from constructive, as well as from adding anything to the conversation about the issue.


Disclaimer: I do not know Ziyyigo-Tipyigo in any ways except from what I have seen him or her or other posting here; this is simply my opinion. There are several more appropriate ways it could have been handled, how I would have handled it, but of course, this is not my forum ^^;

Just hoping they will do everything in their power to be 'balanced', and I'm quite sure they do, but I still see what happened here as a pretty silly thing...


Cake tare, everybody~

[Zyla420]

I didn't see the offending post, and even if it was something that i honestly wouldn't feel should warrant a punishment, shit happens. the OP is being "butt-hurt" in a sense cause all he's doing is crying saying "this happened to me, and not everyone else that does it!".

lemme put it another way, if you're speeding going 65 mph in a 45 mph zone, and a cop pulls you over but didn't see the asshole that flew past you doin 80, does that change the fact that you're still in trouble and getting a fine? no it doesn't. is it fair? no it isn't. whining to the cop about it is only gonna piss him off, whining to ppl you know only makes them want to get away from you cause you're complaining that life isn't fair. of course life isn't fair, it sucks, you learn to deal with it and move on.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

if you're speeding going 65 mph in a 45 mph zone, and a cop pulls you over but didn't see the asshole that flew past you doin 80, does that change the fact that you're still in trouble and getting a fine?

Car analogies? In my internets?

Let's go with that analogy, but make a few adjustments.

1. The speed limit on this stretch of Interstate is 55
2. I was caught going 60.
3. Every speed limit sign on the road is behind a tree or otherwise obscured.
4. Every other car on the busy road is going 65+

Without The Rules in plain view (they're hidden away on the support pages), it's only natural to "go with the flow" and use the already established pattern of behavior of everyone else. However, when everyone else is also breaking The Rules, this allows the enforcers to pick and choose how to enforce by personal whim (e. g. DWB).

This highlights systemic problems.

1. The rules, as written, are unenforceable, even if S-E chooses not to acknowledge (let alone admit) this. Any honest, good faith attempt at enforcement by S-E would bring everything to a grinding halt.
2. Even if the rules were enforceable, if they were actually enforced, these forums would end up being useless, both to players (who would go elsewhere to vent their frustrations) and to S-E (who would be trying to harvest feedback from empty forums).

It also permits abuse by moderators. It could be intentional or unintentional, and it could even be real or imagined. But even having the appearance of abuse degrades people's sense of trust and faith in the system overall and the enforcers in particular (e. g. DWB).

It's funny that you use speed limits in your analogy, as I've long since made a habit of religiously setting my cruise control at the speed limit, much to the anger and frustration of countless drivers who have been behind me. My general philosophy is that, if one has a problem with a rule, one should work to change the rule rather than to simply ignore it; after all, with respect to speed limits, you are able to vote for or against the people who set them.

Of course, I can't "vote" here (and, in fact, literally signed away most of my rights just by being here), but there are other ways one can agitate for change.

[Llana_Virren]

Car analogies? In my internets?

Let's go with that analogy, but make a few adjustments.

1. The speed limit on this stretch of Interstate is 55
2. I was caught going 60.
3. Every speed limit sign on the road is behind a tree or otherwise obscured.
4. Every other car on the busy road is going 65+

Without The Rules in plain view (they're hidden away on the support pages), it's only natural to "go with the flow" and use the already established pattern of behavior of everyone else. However, when everyone else is also breaking The Rules, this allows the enforcers to pick and choose how to enforce by personal whim (e. g. DWB).

This highlights systemic problems.

1. The rules, as written, are unenforceable, even if S-E chooses not to acknowledge (let alone admit) this. Any honest, good faith attempt at enforcement by S-E would bring everything to a grinding halt.
2. Even if the rules were enforceable, if they were actually enforced, these forums would end up being useless, both to players (who would go elsewhere to vent their frustrations) and to S-E (who would be trying to harvest feedback from empty forums).

It also permits abuse by moderators. It could be intentional or unintentional, and it could even be real or imagined. But even having the appearance of abuse degrades people's sense of trust and faith in the system overall and the enforcers in particular (e. g. DWB).

It's funny that you use speed limits in your analogy, as I've long since made a habit of religiously setting my cruise control at the speed limit, much to the anger and frustration of countless drivers who have been behind me. My general philosophy is that, if one has a problem with a rule, one should work to change the rule rather than to simply ignore it; after all, with respect to speed limits, you are able to vote for or against the people who set them.

Of course, I can't "vote" here (and, in fact, literally signed away most of my rights just by being here), but there are other ways one can agitate for change.

The (unfortunate) reality with this scenario (and the scenarios it alludes to), is that if you are speeding, you're guilty, regardless of the comparative guilt of other people.

I say it is an unfortunate reality because, more often than not, the "they're guilty too, but you're the one who got caught" line is usually fed to avoid actually addressing the issues of bias and favoritism.