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[Macrom]

#1. After that, I was hooked.

Seconded, FF has been my favorite. I remember Getting the Nintendo Power Strat Guide for FFIII. Welcome back 1980s

[Niklz]

Quick question to everyone: Anyone else here watch The Spoony Experiment? He made some great points as to why he dislikes certain Final Fantasy games and he's, in my mind, one of the funniest online personalities out there. For anyone who hasn't seen his reviews I'm posting some links. Watch, enjoy, and remember that it's all in good fun.

FF8 Spoony reviews: http://spoonyexperiment.com/category...-fantasy-viii/

FF10 Spoony reiews: http://spoonyexperiment.com/category...nal-fantasy-x/

I don't like watching angry videogame reviewers, but I LOL'd in the literal sense when I saw he named Tidus, Meg Ryan.

[Wade]

Final Fantasy 7 was the first Final Fantasy game I played, but my favorite is Final Fantasy 8. I loved the storyline. I have to admit though, that Final Fantasy XI has become number 2, just based on how long I have been playing it

[Seha]

FFIX and FFVI <3. (and XI of course xD)

[Dale]

I'm just going to take this in random order, don't mind me.

1. Wound from disc one icicle which impales Squall. Our hero wakes up in the Galbadian prison and says:
‘(...Where am I? I...challenged Edea... My wound...? No wound...? How...? The Galbadian soldiers... ...We were surrounded. He was there... Seifer, leering down at me.) "Damn you, Seifer!"’
Never, anywhere else, is this ever mentioned or addressed. Which brings up conspiracy theories about people thinking Squall is really living a dream from disc 2 on out, but thats another story. Still a plot hole.

2. Rinoa's feelings for Seifer. Remember the ballroom scene? Rinoa didnt want to dance with Squall, she didn't even care who he was. I quote:

Squall: “...I can't dance.”
Rinoa: “You'll be fine. Come on. I'm looking for someone. I can't be on the dance floor alone.”

She just wanted to put up appreances. Then there is the first seed mission:

Rinoa: "Hey... You're...! You know, from the party... So...does that mean... You're a SeeD!?"
Squall: "I'm Squall, the squad leader. There's two others with me."
Rinoa: "YEEESSSS! SeeD is here!"

She doesn't care Squall is there, just that seed is. Seifer was in seed, Seifer is the one she cares for, not Squall.

Rinoa: "Ok, let's go! Umm, Squall. Is 'he' here?"
Squall: ('He'?)
Rinoa: "Seifer."
Squall: "...... No, he's not a SeeD."

Then there are the events at Timber, where she openly lets out her feeling for Seifer.
Rinoa: "I...really liked him. He was always full of confidence, smart... Just by talking to him, I felt like I could take on the world."
Selphie: "Your boyfriend?"
Rinoa: "I don't really know. I... I think it was love. I wonder how he felt...?"
Selphie: "Do you still like him?"
Rinoa: "If I didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. It was last summer... I was 16. Lots of fond memories..."

Squall may have had feelings for Rinoa, but obviously they were not mutual, until *back to the conspiracy* he wakes up from the start of disc 2 and the world starts to go his way. Seifer is the bad guy, Rinoa suddenly loves him, etc etc.

3. Seifer suddenly becoming bad, it tied in with the above theory, but when you think about it, the only hint at this we get is that Seifer idolized Laguna, to the point he emulated his fighting style, and gave him the dream to be a sorceress knight. However the game does not venture into any depth onto how or why he became Edea's. It just 'happened.' When the party gets to Deiling City, after Seifer is presumed to be dead after his arrest, they find him and state:

Squall: "Rinoa. Seifer's alive. He was in the parade with the sorceress."
Rinoa: "...What does it mean?"
Squall: "Who knows." (If I were to face the sorceress directly... Would I have to go through Seifer? ...That's the way it goes as a SeeD. You can't choose your enemies...) "I may end up killing Seifer."
Rinoa: "You're both...prepared, right? That's the kind of world you live in. You've had a lot of emotional training. But... Of course, I'd rather it not happen..."

He's just there, and Neither of the see this as a relationship convenience, or threatened by it. It's as if Rinoa does not care for Squall whatsoever.

4. Lastly, the 'plot twists' just came out of left field, they were way too convenient and forced. Amnesia, LOLWEWENTSAMEORPHANAGE AND FORGOT, O IT HAPPEENED TO BE RUN BY SEED CREATOR AND THE BADGUY TOO. OHWAIT BUT SHES NOT RLY THE BADGUY, WE HAS SURPRISE BADGUY!!!! Surprise villians out of nowhere who have no influence on the plot til the last disc are choices in poor taste. I'm looking at you Ultimecia and Necron.

Speaking of Ultimecia, she says some pretty strange stuff before your final form fight.

Reflect on your... Childhood..."
"Your sensation... Your words... Your emotions..."
"Time... It will not wait..."
"No matter... ...how hard you hold on. It escapes you..."

As the credits roll, you see fading images of Rinoa, the one thing he cared about, starting to blur out, as his life is essentially flashing before his eyes. This is where conspiracy theorists believe he is waking up from a dream as the last faded image you see before the 'ending' takes place is him falling from where he was impaled, seeing Rinoa fade in the distance. Note as when Balamb starts to come into the scene, you see the guys fishing with Seifer, Zell eating hotdogs, Cid and Edea, etc. But no Squall... where is he? It makes me think that the whole coming of age mishmash we just played through only occured in Squalls mind as he fell to his death.

Anyways, I felt the game had a complex, existential depth to it, but the scripting and way they handled the plot made me think of it in terms of less quality than the other entries to the series.

Ok few things i'll say. 1. Rinoa was just playing hard to get. I dont' know if you are male or female, but any male who has any experience, and i'm talking even gradeschool experience with women can tell you they love to act like they don't like guys when they really do. It's part of their genetic coding that makes them love to screw with the male brain - so you are proving nothing with your points except that it was a realistic portrayal of how women behave.

2. I really don't understand why you have such a problem with the fact they all knew each other because they grew up in the orphanage togther. And Ultimecia didn't just show up out of no where, she was in the story from almost the beginning - you just didn't know her true identity till toward the end. So stop acting like she was just a sudden villainous character thrusted into the plot at the very end. It wasn't like that. FF10 did that, but not FF8. The sorceress was heavily involved in 8's plot from beginning to end, so your critical comments about this are what is really the mishmash, and not Squall's coming of age, which was beautifully done.

Also, Squall does show up at the end - looking all happy and actually smiled, which is something i don't believe he did on any of the cutscenes before that throughout the entire game, which in itself made it a touching ending.

The only accurate thing you stated in this post was this - "the game had a complex, existential depth to it". With that I can agree, so i'll end on a point of agreement

[TearValerin]

Ok few things i'll say. 1. Rinoa was just playing hard to get. I dont' know if you are male or female, but any male who has any experience, and i'm talking even gradeschool experience with women can tell you they love to act like they don't like guys when they really do. It's part of their genetic coding that makes them love to screw with the male brain - so you are proving nothing with your points except that it was a realistic portrayal of how women behave.

2. I really don't understand why you have such a problem with the fact they all knew each other because they grew up in the orphanage togther. And Ultimecia didn't just show up out of no where, she was in the story from almost the beginning - you just didn't know her true identity till toward the end. So stop acting like she was just a sudden villainous character thrusted into the plot at the very end. It wasn't like that. FF10 did that, but not FF8. The sorceress was heavily involved in 8's plot from beginning to end, so your critical comments about this are what is really the mishmash, and not Squall's coming of age, which was beautifully done.

Also, Squall does show up at the end - looking all happy and actually smiled, which is something i don't believe he did on any of the cutscenes before that throughout the entire game, which in itself made it a touching ending.

The only accurate thing you stated in this post was this - "the game had a complex, existential depth to it". With that I can agree, so i'll end on a point of agreement

But she wasn't playing hard to get, she was openly in love with Seifer. It's right there in the quotes. I THINK IT WAS LOVE, doesn't mean, I really love you Squall, its a chat between girls about the guy she really likes.

And the orphanage was a sad, forced excuse for a plot twist. It was placed in there for no other reason than convenience, and it wasn't very subtle about it. Ultemecia too was a forced, out of nowhere villian as well. If you remember in FF9, where the plot made it out Kuja was the villian, trying to work against the fate Garland set out for him, then out of left field comes Necron! No mention in the plot, no hidden identity, he was just there. Ultimecia takes that turn as well. Please do not debate with me, if you aren't going to put up a legitimate defense :|.

[Dale]

But she wasn't playing hard to get, she was openly in love with Seifer. It's right there in the quotes. I THINK IT WAS LOVE, doesn't mean, I really love you Squall, its a chat between girls about the guy she really likes.

And the orphanage was a sad, forced excuse for a plot twist. It was placed in there for no other reason than convenience, and it wasn't very subtle about it. Ultemecia too was a forced, out of nowhere villian as well. If you remember in FF9, where the plot made it out Kuja was the villian, trying to work against the fate Garland set out for him, then out of left field comes Necron! No mention in the plot, no hidden identity, he was just there. Ultimecia takes that turn as well. Please do not debate with me, if you aren't going to put up a legitimate defense :|.

lol... well there isn't much to defend against. You are claming Ultimecia was just taken out of left field at the very end of the game as a surprise villain when she wasn't. She was in the story from almost the beginning, clearly visible and manipulating events. The fact you didn't learn her true name or origins till the end doesn't change this fact. You are just wrong, there isn't much i can do other than to state the simple facts, so i'm not sure what you are expecting out of me lol

We just disagree about Rinoa. I think she was just playing hard to get, you don't. But doesn't matter, emotions are very fickle things anyway, especially with females lol I really don't think any explaination is even needed on this part of the story.

Now far as the orphanage, I thought it was cool how they were recruited as orphans into Seed, and it explained perfectly how they all knew each other. You feel differently. But these are just two abstract opinions based more on preference than any facts. There isn't much to defend here, just to say i liked it, and you didn't.

[TearValerin]

lol... well there isn't much to defend against. You are claming Ultimecia was just taken out of left field at the very end of the game as a surprise villain when she wasn't. She was in the story from almost the beginning, clearly visible and manipulating events. The fact you didn't learn her true name or origins till the end doesn't change this fact. You are just wrong, there isn't much i can do other than to state the simple facts, so i'm not sure what you are expecting out of me lol

We just disagree about Rinoa. I think she was just playing hard to get, you don't. But doesn't matter, emotions are very fickle things anyway, especially with females lol I really don't think any explaination is even needed on this part of the story.

Now far as the orphanage, I thought it was cool how they were recruited as orphans into Seed, and it explained perfectly how they all knew each other. You feel differently. But these are just two abstract opinions based more on preference than any facts. There isn't much to defend here, just to say i liked it, and you didn't.

You cant just place a blanket statement saying she 'was there in the story clearly' without proof. It is not a fact unless you have solid evidence backing up your claim, and to state someone is 'wrong' just because you say so is not good enough, period.

Rinoa is not subjective either, it was plain as day she was into Seifer, and not Squall from the day they met, proof in the quotes.

Orphanage, that is subjective, one can find it a weak plothole, others can find it cool. There is plenty to defend, but if you cannot do so, there is no debate.

[Dale]

You cant just place a blanket statement saying she 'was there in the story clearly' without proof. It is not a fact unless you have solid evidence backing up your claim, and to state someone is 'wrong' just because you say so is not good enough, period.

Rinoa is not subjective either, it was plain as day she was into Seifer, and not Squall from the day they met, proof in the quotes.

Orphanage, that is subjective, one can find it a weak plothole, others can find it cool. There is plenty to defend, but if you cannot do so, there is no debate.

The sorceress was all over the plot from the beginning, just plug in the game. Some facts are so obvious they shouldn't need to be pointed out in specifics, and that is one of them. YOu even pointed out the sorceress showed up and turned sifer to her side - now how could she do that if she dind't show up till the very end?

There is no reason for me to defend myself, you do it for me with your own contradictions.

Now far as the orphanage thing, you thought it was lame i thought it was cool. You aren't really "wrong" on that point, we just disagree. It's the sorceress not showing up until the end of the game thing you are actually wrong about. The other stuff are valid disagreements, and i can live with those

[Zyeriis]

I don't want to discuss things ;-; cause I'm always right /sarcasm

Favorite FF aside from FFXI would have to be 13. Least favorite (disregarding X-2, I don't even consider that one a true Final Fantasy game) would have to be 7 (I just could NOT force myself to play through it, only one I never finished). The only thing I hated about 13 was Hope...

Second favorite would have to be the real Final Fantasy 3 (not the American one that was actually #4).

Total opposite of the final fantasy fan spectrum, right?