Can we have a thread that ISNT a suggestion?

[Kjara]

-Cliche brooding male protagonist, check
-Spunky ditz, check
-White mage girl, check
-Chivalrous pervert, check
-Dumb tough guy with a soft side, check

You can find that in pretty much any videogame and anime story cast, they are called stereotypes. Check out tvtropes lol

[Vivik]

I suggest we make suggestions to suggest that suggestions are bad.

[Jalserba_Darkwood]

when it come to ffX-2 the bit the rly anouyd me was the yrp crap at the start where they sudenly feel the urg in mids of a situation to do a charlies angels.

[TearValerin]

You can find that in pretty much any videogame and anime story cast, they are called stereotypes. Check out tvtropes lol

I already did >_>

[svengalis]

The irony of this topic title. LOL

[Jalserba_Darkwood]

The irony of this topic title. LOL

what would a forum b without irony? lol

[Dale]

-Cliche brooding male protagonist, check
-Spunky ditz, check
-White mage girl, check
-Chivalrous pervert, check
-Dumb tough guy with a soft side, check

Edea being married to Cid, the orphanage where EVERYONE magically and conveniently knew each other, fake presidents, they were all forced or way too convenient to be occuring. Then there are plot holes amuck, what happened to Rinoa's feelings/love for Seifer, what happened to Squalls wound at the start of disc 2 (he was impaled by a gigantic icicle, remember?) why does Seifer join Edea, even if he had a good side to him. In Dollet, and during the seed testing, he put his differences aside to fight with the group, now all of a sudden he's bad? So much of it made no sense.

The battle system was a joke! You sit there for hours on end drawing magic, summon GF, fights over. And what kind of an RPG discourages leveling? Remember back in FFI where if you didn't over level, you would have your butt handed to you on a silver platter? That added to the experience, the training regime for the next big boss, the endurance run through the dungeon, etc. FF8 was not a bad game, but still a severely flawed one.

Squall didn't stay a brooding protagonist. He is one of the only - if not the only - main character in any FF series who was actually affected by the world-changing events going on around him and matured and found the confidence to be a more well-rounded leader actually interested in the feelings of others around him.

Spunky Ditz? If you mean the girl in yellow, I didn't like her.
White mage Girl? If you are referring to Rinoa, she was hardly the typical white mage female on a game, and you could equip her with w/e magic you wanted - so if you made her a white mage, that was entirely your choice.
Chivarlous pervert? I assume you mean the cowboy guy, i didn't like him either so i'm not going to defend him.
Dumb tough guy with a soft side? If you mean zell i take offense at that. He was my favorite character, and he wasn't dumb at all. How dare you

I don't see why any of those plot twists you named were convienent. They knew each other from the orphanage, they grew up together. Once their amnesia sickness began to wear off that's how they all knew each other. I don't know what's stupid about that. They were orphans recruited into the ranks of Seed.

Rinoa's feelings for sifer most likely wore off cause she met squall. Duh I don't remember much about the icicle. It has been awhile, but i'm sure his friends probably nursed him back to health. Sifer was seduced by the power the sorcererss offered him if i remember correctly. I don't know what's stupid about that. That's what made FF8 so great. A lot of the characters were realistic, not boring goody two-shoe characters who always did the right thing.

I liked the draw magic. It gave finding new enemies a new game-play element i found quite enjoyable, and i loved how you could equip different magics to increase your stats and gain resistances to different effects. The fact monsters leveled up as you did didn't discourage me from leveling at all, in fact it encouraged me to because i could actually take me time and level without having to worry about destroying the rest of the game from a challenge perspective. You are talking to someone who actually maxed out Squall's level on Tyranasaurus Rex's in the first garden cutscene during the training exercise quistis sends you on lol

The only flaw was the bosses didnt' level up with you as well. This was a big mistake i admit - but pales in comparison with the game's numerous triumphs.

We just disagree. FF 8 was and still is one of the greatest games every created.

[TearValerin]

Squall didn't stay a brooding protagonist. He is one of the only - if not the only - main character in any FF series who was actually affected by the world-changing events going on around him and matured and found the confidence to be a more well-rounded leader actually interested in the feelings of others around him.

Spunky Ditz? If you mean the girl in yellow, I didn't like her.
White mage Girl? If you are referring to Rinoa, she was hardly the typical white mage female on a game, and you could equip her with w/e magic you wanted - so if you made her a white mage, that was entirely your choice.
Chivarlous pervert? I assume you mean the cowboy guy, i didn't like him either so i'm not going to defend him.
Dumb tough guy with a soft side? If you mean zell i take offense at that. He was my favorite character, and he wasn't dumb at all. How dare you

I don't see why any of those plot twists you named were convienent. They knew each other from the orphanage, they grew up together. Once their amnesia sickness began to wear off that's how they all knew each other. I don't know what's stupid about that. They were orphans recruited into the ranks of Seed.

Rinoa's feelings for sifer most likely wore off cause she met squall. Duh I don't remember much about the icicle. It has been awhile, but i'm sure his friends probably nursed him back to health. Sifer was seduced by the power the sorcererss offered him if i remember correctly. I don't know what's stupid about that. That's what made FF8 so great. A lot of the characters were realistic, not boring goody two-shoe characters who always did the right thing.

I liked the draw magic. It gave finding new enemies a new game-play element i found quite enjoyable, and i loved how you could equip different magics to increase your stats and gain resistances to different effects. The fact monsters leveled up as you did didn't discourage me from leveling at all, in fact it encouraged me to because i could actually take me time and level without having to worry about destroying the rest of the game from a challenge perspective. You are talking to someone who actually maxed out Squall's level on Tyranasaurus Rex's in the first garden cutscene during the training exercise quistis sends you on lol

The only flaw was the bosses didnt' level up with you as well. This was a big mistake i admit - but pales in comparison with the game's numerous triumphs.

We just disagree. FF 8 was and still is one of the greatest games every created.

I'm just going to take this in random order, don't mind me.

1. Wound from disc one icicle which impales Squall. Our hero wakes up in the Galbadian prison and says:
‘(...Where am I? I...challenged Edea... My wound...? No wound...? How...? The Galbadian soldiers... ...We were surrounded. He was there... Seifer, leering down at me.) "Damn you, Seifer!"’
Never, anywhere else, is this ever mentioned or addressed. Which brings up conspiracy theories about people thinking Squall is really living a dream from disc 2 on out, but thats another story. Still a plot hole.

2. Rinoa's feelings for Seifer. Remember the ballroom scene? Rinoa didnt want to dance with Squall, she didn't even care who he was. I quote:

Squall: “...I can't dance.”
Rinoa: “You'll be fine. Come on. I'm looking for someone. I can't be on the dance floor alone.”

She just wanted to put up appreances. Then there is the first seed mission:

Rinoa: "Hey... You're...! You know, from the party... So...does that mean... You're a SeeD!?"
Squall: "I'm Squall, the squad leader. There's two others with me."
Rinoa: "YEEESSSS! SeeD is here!"

She doesn't care Squall is there, just that seed is. Seifer was in seed, Seifer is the one she cares for, not Squall.

Rinoa: "Ok, let's go! Umm, Squall. Is 'he' here?"
Squall: ('He'?)
Rinoa: "Seifer."
Squall: "...... No, he's not a SeeD."

Then there are the events at Timber, where she openly lets out her feeling for Seifer.
Rinoa: "I...really liked him. He was always full of confidence, smart... Just by talking to him, I felt like I could take on the world."
Selphie: "Your boyfriend?"
Rinoa: "I don't really know. I... I think it was love. I wonder how he felt...?"
Selphie: "Do you still like him?"
Rinoa: "If I didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. It was last summer... I was 16. Lots of fond memories..."

Squall may have had feelings for Rinoa, but obviously they were not mutual, until *back to the conspiracy* he wakes up from the start of disc 2 and the world starts to go his way. Seifer is the bad guy, Rinoa suddenly loves him, etc etc.

3. Seifer suddenly becoming bad, it tied in with the above theory, but when you think about it, the only hint at this we get is that Seifer idolized Laguna, to the point he emulated his fighting style, and gave him the dream to be a sorceress knight. However the game does not venture into any depth onto how or why he became Edea's. It just 'happened.' When the party gets to Deiling City, after Seifer is presumed to be dead after his arrest, they find him and state:

Squall: "Rinoa. Seifer's alive. He was in the parade with the sorceress."
Rinoa: "...What does it mean?"
Squall: "Who knows." (If I were to face the sorceress directly... Would I have to go through Seifer? ...That's the way it goes as a SeeD. You can't choose your enemies...) "I may end up killing Seifer."
Rinoa: "You're both...prepared, right? That's the kind of world you live in. You've had a lot of emotional training. But... Of course, I'd rather it not happen..."

He's just there, and Neither of the see this as a relationship convenience, or threatened by it. It's as if Rinoa does not care for Squall whatsoever.

4. Lastly, the 'plot twists' just came out of left field, they were way too convenient and forced. Amnesia, LOLWEWENTSAMEORPHANAGE AND FORGOT, O IT HAPPEENED TO BE RUN BY SEED CREATOR AND THE BADGUY TOO. OHWAIT BUT SHES NOT RLY THE BADGUY, WE HAS SURPRISE BADGUY!!!! Surprise villians out of nowhere who have no influence on the plot til the last disc are choices in poor taste. I'm looking at you Ultimecia and Necron.

Speaking of Ultimecia, she says some pretty strange stuff before your final form fight.

Reflect on your... Childhood..."
"Your sensation... Your words... Your emotions..."
"Time... It will not wait..."
"No matter... ...how hard you hold on. It escapes you..."

As the credits roll, you see fading images of Rinoa, the one thing he cared about, starting to blur out, as his life is essentially flashing before his eyes. This is where conspiracy theorists believe he is waking up from a dream as the last faded image you see before the 'ending' takes place is him falling from where he was impaled, seeing Rinoa fade in the distance. Note as when Balamb starts to come into the scene, you see the guys fishing with Seifer, Zell eating hotdogs, Cid and Edea, etc. But no Squall... where is he? It makes me think that the whole coming of age mishmash we just played through only occured in Squalls mind as he fell to his death.

Anyways, I felt the game had a complex, existential depth to it, but the scripting and way they handled the plot made me think of it in terms of less quality than the other entries to the series.

[JagerForrester]

To suggest in a thread to not stop making so many suggestion threads, this thread would have never been decided to be posted. In fact, if there are too many suggestion threads, you would need more non-suggestion threads. Then people would notice there's not enough suggestion threads to suggestions in non-suggestion threads that needs to be the suggested. Therefore the suggestion threads will repopulate with even more suggestions that will ultimately be a lot of threads, only to find that someone is going to make another suggestion thread that suggests to stop making threads.

FF9

[UltraBlackone]

Quick question to everyone: Anyone else here watch The Spoony Experiment? He made some great points as to why he dislikes certain Final Fantasy games and he's, in my mind, one of the funniest online personalities out there. For anyone who hasn't seen his reviews I'm posting some links. Watch, enjoy, and remember that it's all in good fun.

FF8 Spoony reviews: http://spoonyexperiment.com/category...-fantasy-viii/

FF10 Spoony reiews: http://spoonyexperiment.com/category...nal-fantasy-x/