Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

Originally Posted by Demon6324236

In either case the month long for 1 piece is off of the idea of doing 25 runs of floor 80 for a single 100 piece, which is much to long. Doing that is the only progressive style of rewards in NNI, as doing that is the only way you are nearly guaranteed some progress to getting a piece of gear, however if you lose trying to get to 100, there is no progress, only a loss, and when you try 100 more times, if you still don't make it to 100, there is still no more or less progress for a piece of gear.

Abyssea had progression for everything you did, Emps being a good example being that it always gave 1 item, with a chance at 2, you never killed a NM for an Emp and got nothing for it. This event is much more limiting on time, and much less rewarding for effort, as if you do not go all the way, you either wait a month for 1 piece of gear or you get nothing at all for attempting to make it to 100, and failing.

Luck based for NNI doesn't mean it's "bad", considering everything in MMO, or at least everything in FFXI are 99% luck based.
If you don't like luck based, then you may as well not play an MMO.

Say if 17 floor jump has 30% chance to win, and it's possible to do 100 17 floor jump run and still didn't hit F100 cuz you're extremely unlucky and get nothing, that's just same as doing dyna-xarc for 40 times and no RDM hat/THF hands drop and get nothing, or doing salvage 150 times and can't get that bee NM to pop from rampart, or killing HQ behemoth for 100 times and no Dring drop. NNI is not the only event that you get nothing when you have bad luck, so does VW, salvage, dyna, HNM, legion, limbus, Ein, and every single event that involved drop or nothing.

Does that means you make "no progress" when it doesn't drop? I'd say no, since every run you attempted that doesn't drop, you should treat it as an investment for a chance to get it. If you can't view it this way, then you may as well not to play drop based MMO since you will feel bad if it doesn't drop and you get nothing.

If the 17 floor jump has 30% win rate, then avg every 3 17 floor jump run you will get an 100. If Qilin dagger has 0.1% of drop rate, than avg 1000 Qilin kill can get you the dagger. So your goal is to do it as many times as possible. That's same as doing abyssea X amount of time to get the empy. Except the difference is you can't see your "progress" when your item doesn't drop. But every no drop run, it should be treated as a progress too. The difference between an empy farm and doing NNI for F100 gear is really only visible difference and that's it.

If you don't like invisible progress, doesn't like to invest a run for no drop, then all I can say is majority of game content in this game probably isn't for you, and you may as well play other MMO or just do Abyssea only. And gl finding a MMO that has 0 luck factor in it. Last time I checked, majority of popular MMO/RPGs are still luck based for everything.

I think he still isn't winning lol. This is the guy that wants to bring red mage to nyzle. ANd red mage can keep on par with damage with a blue mage. Kaerin is right. I'm a prime example. I went with a group that knows what they're doing, and they do excellent at it, and they win. I went with my other 3 nyzle groups, and let's just say, it cannot be done with the way they play. It's not luck, it's skill. Luck is only a part of how the floors jump, as expected. Learn how to gear your jobs, hope to avoid order lamps if you are like me and play xbox, and hope to win. Keep trying and get better gear to compensate until you get your nyzle gear.

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I think he still isn't winning lol.

Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I myself haven't done NNI recently because I am making a new static with better people, and have been taking the time to make sure we have the right gear to get it done as best we can. In either case it has nothing to do with my complaint.

This is the guy that wants to bring red mage to nyzle. ANd red mage can keep on par with damage with a blue mage.

This again... Heres an old post of mine from this thread a good... 25 pages ago.

Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Once again, if this event required skill, they would make the drops luck based like they used to be. Then we would be bitching our skill isn't giving us reward (VW). NO NO NO red mage CANNOT melee even close to as efficient as a heavy DD or a dnc nin thf mnk pup blu. They're an enfeebling master. That's what they're designed to do. So stop saying it can. I had a melee rdm, it didn't work. What do you seriously want them to do to this event? How the hell would they make it "skill based"? How would they make it "skill" based without making it extremely easy for the current setups of sch x2 4 heavy DD? YOu want them to make it so you can go in with 6 bst and clear content no problem and get the best gear in the game, using said "skill" of pressing 4 buttons. Or 6 red mages "meleeing" fodder mobs. So much skill right. Give me good suggestions and the dev team good suggestions on how not to break the event and make it too easy on 2 SCH 4 heavy DD setups while making it managable for other random job setups to do the event and I will be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I am not saying necessarily my RDM should be able to do NNI (Don't get me wrong, I would like it to be able to, meleeing I tend to out damage most other LDDs and some HDDs and none of my other jobs beat it in damage) I'm saying something other than just 4HDDs & 2SCH should be able to. The fact they made it so limited is just flat out stupid, your excluding what is basically 75% of jobs from participation, I know everyone has the ease of getting anything they want to 99 in 1~5 days, but that doesn't make it right that everyone is be limited to 5 choices they might not even like or enjoy just to get some gear for a different job.

Lets look at that again...

Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I am not saying necessarily my RDM should be able to do NNI

Get your head out of your ass for 10 seconds and read my post and you might actually understand something! I said, many times, I do not expect RDM to do NNI, I understand it can't, you want to know 1 main reason above all else?

Its not hard to read. Its fairly simple, not hard to grasp. It gets annoying that you take my words out of context every time this subject pops up and you feel like speaking out. In either case, I know how to do NNI, and already said I made a new static and am making sure the people in it are geared up for it. The point still stands, I could go win 15 runs in a row, starting today, and I wouldn't think any different, I would say I was lucky. I could go with a perfect 40/60% win/loss rate, still would say its luck.

If anyone can explain how the layout & contents of a floor, along with pathos, does not effect your run because your skilled, by all means, do. I however think that no matter how skilled you are, large floors, soulflayer floors, and bad jumps, are a massive screw over, not to mention when WS pathos pops up at the worst times, like NM floors, or boss floors.

Originally Posted by Afania

Luck based for NNI doesn't mean it's "bad", considering everything in MMO, or at least everything in FFXI are 99% luck based.
If you don't like luck based, then you may as well not play an MMO.

In most cases, luck is simple, its only 1 thing that is random that reflects your rewards, and the battle itself is normally put down to skill alone. NNI for you to win, you go through the luck part and will definitely get something if you win. The major difference here is skill doesn't pop up except to mitigate the luck, more luck, more floors you complete, more jumps you make, and thus better odds of winning because bad jumps or floors have less of a chance of stopping you cold.