Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

Originally Posted by Ica

This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

Don't mind him/her. He has a hardon for wanting SCH nerfed. He'll bring it up in every thread.

Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It'd go from barely anyone winning, to no one winning. At least it might make SE look into how stupid it is.

Flee Hacks, .DAT Swapping and two SCH's SHOULD not be the only means to beat something.

Only the bolded can "occasionally" be removed for the win.

That is my point. It is stupid to design an event around one job's 2 hour to the point you need 2 to fully clear. Same reason Perfect Defense is flawed, if players think they are so awesome why do we need Perfect defense. Lets go straight up without gimmicks. Impossible? Then SE needs to adjust the event so gimmicks are not required.

Again, DRK was nerfed for the same reason, the 2 hour was too strong for events. Same thing here.

I freely admit I dislike scholar, maybe even downright hate it. That really isn't the issue though. The issue is bad game design disguised by an overpowered 2 hour to the point that 2 of the 6 members have to be scholar.

He/she's actually right about Embrava, for the same reason Perfect Defense ought to be nerfed: it's so powerful that it trivializes any content not balanced around its presence, but balancing around the assumption that it's there (and utilized properly via strategems) makes content basically impossible without it.

Any potential balancing decisions made in light of this are bad for the game, no matter the result. As Hatcher mentions, hacks or not nobody would disagree there were deep and serious problems with Nyzul that needed to be addressed if Embrava were not in the game (or were at least limited, like not stacking with strategems or applying a debuff to prevent back-to-back casts like WoW's Bloodlust/Time Warp). It would be better for PD and Embrava to just not exist, but if they must, we would all be better off if they were nerfed.

i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.

Because it leads to situations like Nyzul (but more to the point, situations like Legion) where unbalanced, stupid content gets to stay unbalanced and stupid for literally no other reason than that the ability exists.

Need I remind you that Embrava is still really new and this balance idiocy started almost immediately? This doesn't seem wrong to you on some level?

they know damn well its not designed right, they put it in anyways. nerfing embrava is stupid you would ruin alot of fights *prov watcher* and set sch back to a subjob.

NI is luck based all embrava is doing is removing some of the RNG

better yet lets use VW

NI2.0 = VW without lights but floor 100 is getting your body.

now yes some people who never use cells never cap lights WILL get a body (ni floor 100 win) but 90% of the time your going to get more log drops then a porta potty @ the superbowl.

embava for this event is the equivalent of procing white on VW , does it get you your drops 100%? nope but it sure as fuck raises the chance of you getting A drop.

so if you have no issue with white procs being in VW then you should have no issue with embrava helping out in NI.

embava isnt the enemy here its , RNG floors and Lamps and the lack of a waiting room forcing people to rush as soon as they entered. you could have all the embrava and best players in the world shit floors and mobs will still cost you a loss.

I actually agree with the idea that NI isn't dramatically different than VW in its reward structure; they have simply relocated the RNG in the process.

If people could use a third party program to increase their Red to 800%, I would bet Hard-Earned American Dollars they'd whine about how unfair voidwatch droprates are (and they are, don't get me wrong) to justify that, too!