Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

Originally Posted by Ica

This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

Don't mind him/her. He has a hardon for wanting SCH nerfed. He'll bring it up in every thread.

Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It'd go from barely anyone winning, to no one winning. At least it might make SE look into how stupid it is.

Flee Hacks, .DAT Swapping and two SCH's SHOULD not be the only means to beat something.

Only the bolded can "occasionally" be removed for the win.

That is my point. It is stupid to design an event around one job's 2 hour to the point you need 2 to fully clear. Same reason Perfect Defense is flawed, if players think they are so awesome why do we need Perfect defense. Lets go straight up without gimmicks. Impossible? Then SE needs to adjust the event so gimmicks are not required.

Again, DRK was nerfed for the same reason, the 2 hour was too strong for events. Same thing here.

I freely admit I dislike scholar, maybe even downright hate it. That really isn't the issue though. The issue is bad game design disguised by an overpowered 2 hour to the point that 2 of the 6 members have to be scholar.

He/she's actually right about Embrava, for the same reason Perfect Defense ought to be nerfed: it's so powerful that it trivializes any content not balanced around its presence, but balancing around the assumption that it's there (and utilized properly via strategems) makes content basically impossible without it.

Any potential balancing decisions made in light of this are bad for the game, no matter the result. As Hatcher mentions, hacks or not nobody would disagree there were deep and serious problems with Nyzul that needed to be addressed if Embrava were not in the game (or were at least limited, like not stacking with strategems or applying a debuff to prevent back-to-back casts like WoW's Bloodlust/Time Warp). It would be better for PD and Embrava to just not exist, but if they must, we would all be better off if they were nerfed.

PC user
12/15 100 gear * i do not have a job for the mage gear set but yea...*
Static is 17/25 on wins
Set up: war war war/mnk drk sch sch
We have taken ls members *one at a time* on runs with us to gear them up since the content is so unbalanced.

that all being said , SE put this content and the 25 floor 80 win gimic in as a huge time sink. the event could be fixed simply by removing lamp floors totally. they are hands down the #1 run killer for any and all groups and the sole reason most people cant even join pugs without pc/skype/vent etc.

Neo is not hard at all , prefect example I have an extremely well geared monk but during my statics initial 4 runs we ran into alot of flan floors / amorphs and i eventually ended up changing to my war. Now my war is not ridiculously geared like my monk is but it is well above average but what my war doesn't have is a relic/mythic/empy. Now even without the massive dps boost of a proper war wep (im using the crit+4% GA) and a pretty decent upheaval set , im more then able to keep up with our other relic/empy DD's. So if you are doing neo you dont NEED relic/empy etc but you do need smart players.

The reason most people on PC's are able to clear this content and console users cant is simply communication.
We do our runs on vent , the 2 cors are CONSTANTLY in synch with each other on spell rotations rune control buff wear and 2 hour timers. All dps are calling out mobs as they see them be it boss location or simply whos training a zone with move+ so the others can hit lamps agro free. From a dps stand point we have adopted a split bunny hop kill style with 2 groups of DD's 1war+drk 1 war +war/mnk calling out a mob and the next dps grabbing the nearest mob. From what i understand about our sch's they are both geared (1 in 490ish other in 506) enhancing skill sets, and the spells they keep up are , embrava enthunder haste regen regain phlanx.

Also PLEASE USE TEMPS your dd's and mages should all have temps and food up for this event youve no room for slackers, and if your going with anything remotely close to a sub optimal setup stop and get the right gear/ players for the event.Your friends may not want to hear "sorry but you need a better dps job" but until your groups getting wins you need to cut people out and take whats needed to win.

if that helps anyones runs i hope so, either way to console users keep trying.

Neo is 20%skill 10%gear and 70% luck i say this because no matter how much of the first 2 your group has a 1>4>6>8>12>14>18>20..etc run = you are not getting to 100.

Originally Posted by Gokku

that all being said , SE put this content and the 25 floor 80 win gimic in as a huge time sink. the event could be fixed simply by removing lamp floors totally. they are hands down the #1 run killer for any and all groups and the sole reason most people cant even join pugs without pc/skype/vent etc.

Hypocrite. Admit you fixed lamp orders by dat modding like everyone else.

I have an extremely well geared monk but during my statics initial 4 runs we ran into alot of flan floors / amorphs and i eventually ended up changing to my war.

What is formless strike.

The reason most people on PC's are able to clear this content and console users cant is simply communication.

Nope it's cheat tools that are undectable. You use them just like anyone else reaching the top floor.

We do our runs on vent , the 2 cors are CONSTANTLY in synch with each other on spell rotations rune control buff wear and 2 hour timers.

Man what a lot of work ! dude haste on warp up embrava when it wears off, console users totally can't do eeet.

Also PLEASE USE TEMPS your dd's and mages should all have temps and food up for this event youve no room for slackers,

It's funny because I fail to see what temps make the SCH more efficient.

Neo is 20%skill 10%gear and 70% luck i say this because no matter how much of the first 2 your group has a 1>4>6>8>12>14>18>20..etc run = you are not getting to 100.

Kay mister useless, you explained us that all your previous speech about strategy is useless, the only way to achieve FL100 is getting ~10+ 8 floors jumps, all of which belong to easy floors (aka no those requiring ofg1337 dps). Fail.