NEO Nyzul 2.0

**hiko** · 08-30-2012 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by wish12oz

And for the last time. Lamp order floors appear like once every 3 runs. Seriously, get over it already. They are not this huge mysterious limiting screw you over factor. They are not even something you need to care about. If you get them, just leave and start over. Only one of my wins on my mule has had an order lamp floor, and only 3 of my runs (out of 9) have even had an order lamp floor.

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you're lucky with lamp. we did some old nyzul climb. got 8 order from 0 to 90(+ some code or same time), and 90-100 we had a lamp 1floor/2 (luckly only code and same time)

**saevel** · 08-30-2012 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by hiko

you're lucky with lamp. we did some old nyzul climb. got 8 order from 0 to 90(+ some code or same time), and 90-100 we had a lamp 1floor/2 (luckly only code and same time)

I've been doing a ton of NNI, typically you get 1 lamp floor per 8~10 jumps. Some runs they won't appear, other will have three of them.

I watched the videos and spotted a few interesting things. Either SE is being INCREDIBLY nice to wish's group and not giving them huge floors, or his/her melee's are doing "magic". Wish was moving entirely too slow to clear 16~17 floors, there is a reason he's the "lamp b!tch".

**wish12oz** · 08-30-2012 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by saevel

Wish was moving entirely too slow to clear 16~17 floors, there is a reason he's the "lamp b!tch".

Yo dawg, SCH mule is like a week and a half old, and I havent played a mage job seriously since RDM in 2004->2006. And I will openly admit I am effing terrible at it. I suck so bad at SCH it's not even funny. It takes me forever to notice people are dieing, find macros to cure people, use the right JAs before buffs, cast NA spells, sleep things, learn regen duration timing to recast it properly, etc. I can personally improve a ton, and that would greatly help my groups kill speed and increase our floor count. So I have been bringing my SCH to different stuff, like VW and whatever I see shouts for, to try and get use to playing it, but man, it's tough learning to do something new.

As far as luck goes, I had one run that seriously went awesome. 2 free floors, tons of good floor jumps, took us 15~ minutes to hit 85, then every single floor jump we got for second half of the run was 2-3 floors. hit 96 with 3~ min left, hit 98 with 2 minutes left, and it was the most massive floor I ever seen, and it was kill all. So we timed out. But you know what? Who cares. Our win rate is still 40-50%, which means we will lose half of them. This is expected.

When I say things like, a normal group should expect to clear 16-17 floors on average, and will win once a week, that means you will lose 6x in a week, due to 'bad luck' or whatever you want it call it. I call it expected, and not something to worry about. The number of floors on average your group can clear in a run is the only determining factor in how long it will take you to progress all the way through and get all 15 pieces of gear, if you want them. Because I go into the zone only expecting to win 30-50% of them, I don't find it surprising when I get completely screwed over half the time and time out on 95+.

**Demon6324236** · 08-29-2012 06:11 PM

While I still think NNI is stupid on the level of luck it has in it. I will admit Wish did show videos, stop being a douche about it and admit for 1 second you got videos of what seem to be legit wins. Denying that any more is just pointless because it makes you look like your wishing you had never put up that offer, and wishing everyone had forgotten or never stepped up.

Saying that, I still disagree on the end that its not bad unless your terrible. I can tell you for a fact, good or not luck has everything to play with this event, as said in past pages, skill mitigates luck however it does not remove it! I still think the level of luck in this needs tuned down, that has not, and likely will not, change.

**wish12oz** · 08-29-2012 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Demon6324236

skill mitigates luck however it does not remove it!

It removes it enough for it to not matter. If you watch my videos and count, we're clearing 20~ floors a run. Here's the most recent order:
1 6 14 23 29 31 37 44 53 56 58 63 70 77 84 91 96 99 100
19 floors before we won.
The first video was 22. At this type of floor clearing you would win 35-50%~ of the time according to the math. Which means it will take a month and a half to finish at most. That's pretty fast for something based on 'luck.'

Even if you only win 16-17~ floors a run, thats still 1 win per week. And I think that figure is pretty good for average players. And finishing this event in 15 weeks, is still not that bad, compared to old FFXI anyway. 4-5~ hours a week for 3-4 months for 3 very good complete sets is pretty amazing actually. Pchan use to scream about how amazing Salvage was, and Neo Nzyul has a much better effort/reward ratio than it does, he just refuses to see it.

**saevel** · 08-29-2012 06:34 PM

Just breezed over the vids' they were moving entirely too slow and got lucky.

**Luvbunny** · 08-30-2012 04:23 AM

So basically after 65 pages of complaints, they are pretty much refused to address this problem.... What else is new here?

**detlef** · 08-30-2012 04:53 AM

So people are saying that Wish was lucky with lamps... That's fine, but that should mean that anybody should be able to get lucky with lamps.

**Demon6324236** · 08-30-2012 05:59 AM

I got Heka's body on my 1st run of Akvan. That means everyone should be able to get Heka's on their 1st run of Akvan. No, luck is luck is luck, you can not predict it and you can not say everyone will get lucky all the same, doesn't work that way. In this past week I fought Hahava dualboxing my GF & PLD Mule, my Mule got the body on the 2nd kill of the 2nd run I did with her, the 4th fight of that same set, she got another, then the 1st kill of my 3rd run, my GF's character got yet another. No one else in the entire alliance got a body that day, only me, does this mean everyone could get one? Well yes, everyone could, however luck did not permit them to, if someone really wanted that body as a drop they may be there doing 100+ kills where I only did about 30 if you add up the kills between characters, and got 3 of them.

VW is luck on a lesser scale than this because this has not just random rewards, it has the entire events progression from when you go in as a massive die roll to determine what every floor is on a massive scale. I got lucky with VW a few times in my past, however I have had no such luck with NNI, not even close. If I ever start with 8~9s I end up with 2~3s, if I start at 4~5 I get that whole run, and so on. Not that you can not win with these numbers, but my groups tend not to suck so bad I think they couldn't do it if it were reasonably doable. On another note, saying you can clear 20 floors is somewhat pointless in my eyes seeing as its also what those contain that makes it a problem or not, as I said before, Soulflayer floors suck, kill all floors when they are big and spread out, suck. If you start a kill leader floor with the NM in the room right next to you, thats a great floor, takes 10~15 seconds at most.

As I said, skill mitigates luck, it does not remove it. Luck effects everything from floor jumps to what mobs are on the floor, to what your objective is. Killing 20 floors where most are fast easy floors, is nice, but saying killing 20 floors isn't so impressive when you notice it can be so simple. However you can say you only killed 14 floors with a great team, doesn't mean you suck, it means you had floors that were kill all, where the area took 2 minutes to walk from 1 side to the other, and Soulflayers were all over causing lovely para on your DDs so they take longer to kill, or got kill leader floors where its the Soulflayer NM, and it wipes your buffs, even the great Flan NM, but your WAR wasn't the 1 to find it, and instead went the other way, and takes a minute to get there to help with Tomahawk. There is much more than simply what number of floors you complete to account for, thats why I keep saying that, and you cant really tell me I'm wrong.

**wish12oz** · 09-02-2012 05:55 PM

Day before yesterday I did 2 neo nyzul runs, won one of them. Today did 3 more, won one of them. I'll be posting a new video of new runs on my youtube later tonight or, more likely, tomorrow and come back and post a link here too. The point of this post is to say that in 2~ weeks I have managed to acquire every piece of gear from this event my mule needs, while people like Pchan complain that it's to hard and impossible to win and wait for SE to "fix" the event. Good luck to the rest of you with finishing this event, if you want any tips feel free to ask.

Edit: Just for refference- 7 wins, and only 1 win had an order lamp floor. lol

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