Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

So make the gear accessable to even the unprepared groups when the armor is the best in the game. That doesn't make sense. Yes, it should become more accessable to groups that don't have the normal sch x2 4 heady DD setup, but making it so any average group can clear the content with any setup seems a little ridiculously easy.... They would be forced to nerf the drop rates and make the 100% drop on 100 not exist. The idea of needing 2 sch embrava actually makes alot of people excited about the event. I bet 95% of you won't even try with different setups. 2 sch, any great DD can manage to make 100, it's just the 4 heavy DD will succeed more often. Give it a try. If you aren't willing to level sch, make a static and be a DD. Atleast try people.

Quit trolling and learn2read, fupa. No one is saying make it so unprepared groups can win. No one is complaining about the difficulty. We are complaining that, as of right now, only SCHx2, DDx4 setups have a realistic hope to win. That is a fact and it is also a problem. As one of the 2 SCHs in my static I can tell you, an Embrava is broken, and needing it x2 per event is even more broken. This is akin to the RNG-burns, SMN-burns, and Manaburns of the past, which were all "cheap tickets" to circumvent an otherwise difficult fight.

The difference here is that SCHx2,DDx4 isn't an "easy ticket" ... it's the only way to have a chance. If you can't see that, you really don't need to tell other people to give it a try. We have and we are not pacified by the "ooh look at my Embrava'd damage output" candy.

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Not trolling. Think about it. You give groups the ability to go with say blu dnc nin pup thf rdm as a setup, that would mean that groups with sch x2 4 heavy DD would clear the content so damn easy that the event would last 15 days for them, TO GET THE BEST GEAR IN THE GAME. They would be forced to basically make the DROP RATE on floor 100 gear abysmal, and remove the guarenteed drop. What do you suggest they do. No duh it's dumb that you need 2 people's 2 hours to beat an event, but the question is, wtf do you want them to do? I'm seeing plently of people in neo nyzle gear now, and this update they did was amazing, but yet people still trash on the event. Calling me a troll when you are offering no input, except what 100 other people have said is kind of pointless.

Here's the problem, you're not thinkinig about it. "Calling me a troll when you are offering no input, except what 100 other people have said" should tell you that it's a shared opinion, and I have provided input on how to make the event better without allowing "any throw-together" group to complete it. The problem is you see no problem with "SCHx2/DDx4" so showing you anything otherwise will be beside the point.

For example: Stopping the time between floors will not make it easier for throw-together, gimped groups to complete the content. Why? Because they still have to complete each floor, and without an optimal setup, this will take more time. The difference is they'd be able to time out at floor 40 instead of floor 16.

My suggestions would not let any gimp group complete floor 100 all the time. But any group should have at least a 5% success rate. Uber superkupopowerz groups should have a higher success rate. But to just sit back and say "SCHx2/DDx4... problem? U mad?" is not the way to go about discussing this event.

I've offered suggestions on how to improve NI without letting any ol' gimp party beat it; you just don't want any changes made to it, but that doesn't mean that I haven't offered any input, when I have, repeatedly, and none of my suggestions have been given any legitimate flack.

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Plain and simple, making it easier for the 25% of the people not succeeding or willing to do this event due to their setups, will ultimately make it way too easy for the 75% of us that don't have a problem with it.

Switch your percentages around, there's more than 50% of those who want to or regularly do NII that do not like the current setup. Secondly, and more imprtantly, making it more "skill based" does not make it easier for everyone, and will not make SCHx2 any more of a guarantee than it already is.

You're assuming an across-the-board "easy button" which is not even close to what has been recommended here.

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

K have your easy mode. That's the only way people will be happy. Do the event for 15 days, and then bitch about how there's nothing to accomplish anymore. Sounds... fun. Apparently no'one likes the grind or effort involved in this game anymore. Here's a fact, only the unskilled and unwilling bitch about stuff not being obtainable on these forums. You're in a static bitching about the event being too luck based, when you JUST said that 2 SCH is a guaranteed win. Why do you care? How would it not make it easy mode? These SCH groups usually don't make 100, because they get stuck on 90-95 because of bad floors, or time out on the boss. Give these groups a lobby for temps, a different easier lamp system, stopping time between floors, adding random 30 second to 1 minute TE. That would make the event freakin 100% win rate basically for all these good groups, unless they get completely shanked on floors (example we got to 96, and the floor was all enemies with king artho and 2 other NMs among 15 other monsters on the floor, all spread out). Flat out, if you don't have a form of haste cap or regain, you will not win this event. Even if you didn't need 2 sch, they would have to take out stuff like lamps, high HP Nms. If you threw in a cor and brd instead of 2 sch, you could possibly win this event you know. Cor help DD and do rolls like bolters/regain and brd with say daurdabla buffing your pty with 3 songs. It's amazing how people aren't even trying different setups, you just all assume it's impossible without 2 sch. Sure your win rate would be alot less with brd cor, but you would still occasionally win. The point is, you can win without 2 sch.

I am saying that the SCHx2/DDx4 is the only real way to have a chance at the event, not that it is a guaranteed win. As of right now, going with anything less than SCHx2 is just not worth it. But of course, you don't see that. You'd rather have a grind based on luck. A lot of people don't care for luck because luck is the reason why gimp groups can succeed. Of course, if it was skill based, then a lot of these "+2 groups" might start to struggle, and we can't have that!

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

K have your easy mode. That's the only way people will be happy. Do the event for 15 days, and then bitch about how there's nothing to accomplish anymore.

The problem is there's nothing to accomplish NOW. Sadly, 15 days worth of content would be an improvement. Look they had a good system with the old Nyzul, and all they had to do was keep that same idea. They decided to go with something that only works for a very small number of people and that left everyone else extremely disappointed, because we kind of expected something for everyone. Admittedly, with Tanaka in charge, we should have expected exactly what we got, but some of us still have a little hope left that bubbles to the surface occasionally.

Sounds... fun. Apparently no one likes the grind or effort involved in this game anymore.

Not the way Tanaka does it, no. I don't mind grinding my way to the top of the tower. I don't mind spending time and effort. I don't like 3, 4, or 5 layers of random between me and my goals. They actually came up with a worse system than the simple low-drop rates of ye olden days which is quite a feat. They may as well rename the event Tanaka's Revenge. "Oh you don't like low drop rates? OK! 100% drop rates, but I'm going to royally screw you on the way up... hard! TAKE THAT! MUHAHAHAHA!"

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

"Is just not worth it" is an opinion that should not be thrown around. It's "just not worth it to make this relic because it would take me 3 months", "It's just not worth it to make this mythic, because it would take me a year", "It's just not worth it to do nyzle isle uncharted because my win rate would be abysmal", "It's just not worth it to do voidwatch because the drop rates are so low". Get my point? It's opinion on whether or not an event is worth it. If people want the gear that bad, they will do something about it, if not, they don't deserve it. I wanna see video's of people SKILLED AND GEARED try with different setups. I honestly haven't even heard of brd or cor in the event in replacement of sch or other job setups. Basically everyone just says you cannot win without 2 sch.

People have been asking for vid of the "skilled and geared" try it without using mods and hacks, and we're still waiting on those vids too....