Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

I'm getting close to 2 full sets and you don't need to cheat to clear but if you get unlucky on Order or Same time lamps you are done/run over w/e

Well order is auto fail most of the time anyway cause of the recast on lamps.

Either way this content is designed in an elitist way and imo it sucks for most of the community

Atm to hit consistently (1 in 2-5 runs) 100 you need 2 X SCH and 4 GOOD DDs and all know what there doing (aka done nyzle before amd SCH know how to put out embrava and AoE Regen V FAST)

The issue really is this...

If you have a perfect group you'll get the gear very fast (for what it is)

then if you have a less than perfect group can get to floor 80 consistently then you'll take 25 X longer than the perfect group

Then for ya average pick up group your prolly looks at 100x longer vs a perfect group

If ya refuse to lvl SCH or gear out a great DD then you'll prolly never get there outside of a group carrying you.

Either way Nyzle isle could be fixed in 2 simple steps.

1. Order floors removed and Same time lamps never turn off so just hit as you pass em

2. Astrums should be more rewarding for floors 20-80 and u should be able to upgrade since only 80/100 gear is worth going for.

like
2 20 Asts -> 1 40 Ast
2 40 Asts -> 1 60 Ast
2 60 Asts -> 1 80 Ast
3-5 80 Asts -> 1 100 Asts

and you should be able to trade 1 ast for gear depending what floor you got it from.

Btw imo SE made it like this and will make it easier slowly so that Nyzle isn't spammed by everyone and there mom or there windows 3.1/Dos servers crash cause they can never handle instances lol.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

May be if console players hadnt spent 8ish years being cheated at things like HNM... We would have alot more console players still on the game. No one likes to play a game they have no chance at cauz people are cheating. It could be a way for SE to get console players back into the game.

For quite a while console players had a fiew advantages over PC players, to include faster loading zones/mobs, and being able to use the computer while playing. It took over a year of Windower becoming more and more popular before SE finally allowed FFXI to operate in a windowed mode. Another 8 years after that before the idea of overhauling a dated GUI to be of any use.

Console players do not need their own server, they need to stop playing on the PS2. XBox players I have no issue with, really, except that I understand certain zones force them to d/c, but at least the 360 is a newer system and should get support. PS2 is so antequated it is laughable that anyone still plays FFXI on it. I say laughable, but really it's sad.

This thread is titled "NEO Nyzul 2.0" yet it has become nothing but a whirlpool of "QQ, my PS2 can't handle things that were designed years after it was released." Consoles cannot upgrade, PCs can. Upgrades to a game like FFXI (or any MMO) are necessary to maintain player interest. If within the time span of 10 years you haven't managed to get FFXI for your PC or 360, you shouldn't even have access to new content, let alone d/c when you're in those areas. ToAU areas clearly suffered in appearance due to console graphics rendering. Any new content has to be dumbed down to PS2-capabilities.


In summary:

Kill the console support before the forums are overrun with more "I'm having this issue with FFXI. Critical bug!" and it turns out the guy plays on PS2.... Playstation2 is the issue.

360 players: you're cool, even though SE apparently hates you.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

ugh this is why I blocked your posts you talk alot but dont say much. Thats all your oppinion and your can think what you want but to say my idea wouldnt work just cauz you say. Much like you demand the fixes even if you have to use a bot.. just cauz you say.. Its not about you or me its about what is right. It isnt right that honest people are forced to play with people that cheat. period end of conversation. Nothing you or anyone can say will change the fact that cheating, at a kids game no less. Is wrong. And its a slap in the face to charge people for a broken game. So have fun posting pointless essays of what you think but I dont need 3 paragraphs to know what is right and what is wrong.

By your thinking. I should find a bot that causes other people that bot to lag or freeze up. Since its an aspect of the game I dont like and I'm too impatient for SE to do the right thing. If you have ever been on XBL you should know that people have the power to drop you from the games. reseting your router and what not. So is that what you would have me do. Fight fire with fire? Hax to stop hacks? When will it end? Or should I do the right thing. Play by the rules. Voice my complaints. And hope that majority will rule in the form of other players complaining as well.

Seriously done talkn to you.

What I'm saying is your asking for something unrealistic that SE will likely not actually let happen because it goes against their past, you just ignore me and put your fingers in your ears till you see my mouth stop moving then call me stupid and put words in my mouth. I never said for you to cheat, or cheat to beat cheaters. What I said is you ask for a small server with small amounts of people which this game is a MMO, MMOs are built with large player bases in mind. Your small world would not work because of the heavy need for many people. When you can get 100 people to say in this forum that they would do it, you might have something, till then no. I will not believe enough people would be willing to cut themselves away from 50%~90% of players just for that.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

They made a windower but if that wasnt enough people should say so.

People are saying so. Are you blind? Pretty much the entire forum is filled with complaints about things people want to have fixed, including many things that Windower has already fixed (like the macro system). That is because no one wants to cheat. People do it because the game is lacking some seriously commonplace features. I don't know a single person who wouldn't love if it SE made Windower obsolete. However, not by powerbanning everyone who has ever used it, but instead incorporate the useful features into their own game.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

SE wont do anything if people dont complain that is for sure.

And no one (except you) is complaining about this particular issue, because there is a lot of actually important stuff to be done. This ranks just below fixing beetles' feet. No one is hurt by this other than your ego. You hate not being able to do what "the cheaters" can, so you lash out and call them names and want them gone from "your game", even though they're not harming you in any way. And you completely disregard that your solution is entirely ridiculous and would never work. Why do you think SE is merging servers all the time? Because the playerbase is declining. Do you really wanna put the five remaining PS2 users on one server and watch them play a game with no parties, no economy, no crafting and no events that cannot be 2boxed? And if yes (proving you're entirely insane), do you really think SE would go for that? They'd kill the PS2 completely before it ever came to this. Which wouldn't be a bad thing in the first place.

Thankfully, no one listens to you, especially not SE.

HQ kings are 50% drop rate you know. I killed 4-5 Behemoth, 3 nidhogg and 2 aspid and got 4 items. It is still easier to get compared to the bullshit you had to go through at level 75. I "camped" 2 weeks in dragon aery to buy the beard from a LS willing to sell, and i got my egg after 3 weeks of camping ( and only managed to claim 2 NQ, eventually bought from the HQ). For people in LSes to get thier item it was even worse... You had to wait your turn... And ks99 plain sucked seing as everyone doing it were after BB item, since strider's and speed belt were extremely rare.

actually for the most part PS2 used to have a huge advantage of the mob loading faster on the system so your best claim bet was a ps2 and turbo controller. Up until they added the lockout timer that was a fairly reliable claim method. It had nothing to do with where you were, the PS2 was so dumbed down there was like no load time for models is my guess. Also as far as I can remember (its been a few years since there was 100's in aery for the dragon) the PS2 prioritized mob loading over players so there was no where is it I cant see it going on (at least I always saw it while so many others were scrambling trying to figure out where it was).

Though i think this is getting a little off the topic of neo nyzul and HNM and claiming arguements should probably make their way to the other blossoming thread as this is for nyzul.

As all of this relates to Nyzul Isle: Cheaters will cheat no matter what.

The issue is that (despite what your trademark trolls are telling you) Nyzul Isle 2.0 is broken; you are forced into a SCHx2, UberDDx4 configuration (with no exceptions), and assuming you do not use any "ninjitsu" you will not reach floor 100 in more than 2% of your trial runs, and your success on that floor even less.

Skill -must- compliment luck. As it stands, luck+ninjitsu > skill+luck, or luck+luck, or skill+ninjutsu. Anything that -requires- Embrava x2 is broken. Anything that counts lobby time against you is poorly configured, and anything that doesn't rewarded you per objective is poorly designed.

What could be changed?

1. Remove lobby time penalty. There is no reason for this penalty, especially since it is a non-optional part of the trial.

2. Pause time upon floor objective completion. Do not pause time on floor objective completion when conditions such as "do not aggro gears/do not kill gears/do not killl non-target monsters" are failed.

3. For "bonus objectives" completed (such as: Did not aggro/kill gears or non-target monsters): Grant bonus time.

4. For every status effect-inflicting floor, equate a bonus with a penalty, such as:
Subjobs Locked = JA timers reduced to 0.
Weaponskills Locked = Increase Movement Speed
Job abilities Locked = Increase Magic damage and Regain effect

5. On Boss floors (20/40/60/80) that are below the maximum floor selected (ie. Floor 20 for 40/60/80/100 caps; Floor 80 on Floor 100 caps only; never on Floor 100) grant a random amount of bonus time from 10-60 seconds upon completion, based on hidden factors (such as having the minimum cumulative amount of damage dealt by player with killing blow, or something else that makes things interesting and challenging to trigger).

As of right now, the only incentive is to kill quickly, damned the consequences, skillcraft is meaningless. This is why Nyzul Isle 2.0 will continue to be a cheaters' paradise: there are no incentives for players to not cheat or to put in an honest effort.