Trial NM's

[wish12oz]

see the problem is that its not hard.it's actually quite easy. what it is is extremely, and unnessecarily time consuming and in no way provides any kind of challenge. i have no problem actually 'doing stuff' as you put it, and am now at the vwmn phase, and am having fun with the trial, because im not sitting in one zone for hours on end doing nothing but killing extremely low level mobs waiting for an extremely low level nm to pop.

doing stuff isnt the problem. NOT doing stuff is. get off yer high horse, and develop some reading comprehension

The challenge lies in the ability of someone to go do the trials and actually finish before giving up out of boredom. Personally I find doing other things and only paying attention when the PH is about to spawn best. If you look at the wiki the widescan order for the PH is generally listed, if it matters, so you actually only have to kill 1 mob every 5 minutes. Right now I would recommend Diablo 3, its not as good as 2 honestly, but its new and still pretty fun to play.

[Camiie]

The challenge lies in the ability of someone to go do the trials and actually finish before giving up out of boredom.

LMAO. Yeah that's the sign of a great game. What a challenge! I managed to not get bored and I got this awesome weapon!

Personally I find doing other things and only paying attention when the PH is about to spawn best.

Should put that in a game review as a positive aspect and see how well that goes over. "The best part about this game is the hours I spend with it running while doing other things!"

[FrankReynolds]

LMAO. Yeah that's the sign of a great game. What a challenge! I managed to not get bored and I got this awesome weapon!

Should put that in a game review as a positive aspect and see how well that goes over. "The best part about this game is the hours I spend with it running while doing other things!"

I laughed hard at this. This really would make a great game review.

[Zumi]

I cant believe someone would make a thread about this and seriously think those trials are hard and need adjusted. You should just quit FFXI now, it's going to be very hard for you when it comes time to actually do stuff.

Camping weak NMs for hours on end is bad game design. I am not actively attentively playing FFXI I am doing other stuff on my PC or watching TV and occasionally killing PH and checking back on my FFXI window to see if my nm spawned. The game I am playing should be engaging not sit around doing nothing but kill place holders every 5-15 min hoping for a NM to spawn that will die in 2-3 hits.

Part of the problem with the FFXI player base is they are willing to put up with this stuff and argue that it is ok.

[wish12oz]

It is bad game design, but the whole idea behind the series of quests for empyreans is killing NMs to make a weapon stronger. It's fine the way it is (up to level 90, 1500 plates is retarded) you start on weak monsters, and they get progressively harder as you do more trials. It's designed to be a time sink so you can't pump them out every other day, and to prevent people from doing tons of them unless you're really motivated. And seriously, if you don't like this system for obtaining ultimate weapons, go make a mythic, you'll never be bored and playing Diablo 3 doing those. Relics would work out the same way if you don't buy any of it.

[Caketime]

All I'm getting from this thread is I should be playing Diablo 3 instead.

[cidbahamut]

ITT: defending bad game design

[nyheen]

why people keep saying go to wiki or Diablo 3 how is that gonna help with the long hours of waiting for 1 NM? wonder why the pup whm pet got fix? angry mobs with pitchforks busting down SE door for that pup whm pet change. hopefully this NM pop time will be changed.

i been there and done that. hard time camping the dagger NMs , h2h swords, and few others for hours,

[Arukia]

Time sink is not a problem for relics(emp, mythic) if needed be, but time sink where you spend 4 hrs afk? bad game design. If it was more like the relic path where I had to actually spend time to kill shit for thousands of currency I wouldn't mind. At least I'm playing the game.

[Camiie]

Arukia nailed it. I don't mind a time sink. I don't mind a challenge. I DO mind being bored. I DO mind having my time wasted and my intelligence insulted, and that's what these trials do.

I've commented before that all aspects of a game should strive to be fun, which this aspect doesn't even attempt to do. I've actually gotten the response that if it were fun everyone would do it and the weapons wouldn't be rare and special. How can a reasonable human being not facepalm at a statement like that? As scary as it is, I think some of my fellow players are more deranged and deluded when it comes to content than the devs are. Pardon me while I huddle in a corner and shiver in terror at that thought.