TH activation rumour

[Arcon]

If low delay daggers end up beating TK, no reason to use beestinger when you can use some other 150-delay dagger like Puginculus, Rapidus Sax or Oneiros Knife.

I think he meant using a Beestinger to avoid dealing too much damage, for cases where you want the highest possible TH without killing the mob too fast. Otherwise you'd be correct, though.

I doubt they would given that the upgrade rate seems to decrease exponentially with the increasing levels, so getting your base TH level as high as possible is far more valuable.

I assumed exponential decrease, namely by p*(d^x) where x is the TH difference, p the original upgrade chance (at x=0) and d the amount by which it decreases with level. Above I gave an example for p=0.01 (1%) and d=0.75 (75% decrease with each level). d is calculated by p_(x+1)/p_x, and if that value is > 0.77 then Beestinger (or 150 delay in general) will be better, if it's < 0.77 then Thief's Knife will win. I just don't think the first case is very likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 50%.

[Delvish]

If low delay daggers end up beating TK, no reason to use beestinger when you can use some other 150-delay dagger like Puginculus, Rapidus Sax or Oneiros Knife.

I doubt they would given that the upgrade rate seems to decrease exponentially with the increasing levels, so getting your base TH level as high as possible is far more valuable.

It is true that the other 150 delay daggers would work just as well but as mentioned the DPS would be higher. Most logical scenario is against a single boss monster when it is just yourself and a PLD (and healer) whittling it down slowly while pesky AoE is not an issue.

Also thanks for posting the math up. I think higher base TH would probably win out, but also have to include maths for external support types like magic haste, COR delay reductions, samba, etc. Over time that may change the favor of THF knife to 150d daggers.

[Byrth]

Naw. Further sources of delay reduction either don't change the relationship between the two or favor the higher delay weapon.

[Byrth]

Yeah, pretty much everything I listed was confirmed by now. Here is a page with the information, and there are sources at the bottom:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Treasure_Hunter

[Trumpy]

From the way start of this thread the bit about "If a thf dies do they have to touch it or do they have to be in exp range."

I would have to really search for it but i beleive when the initial changes were made or they answered somewhere the devs said something bout you could apply TH and then warp home and change jobs and the TH would still be there (assuming you were in a group or whatever to hold the mob). of course you could no longer proc higher TH levels.

[Kincard]

I'm going to guess Asn. Armlets +2 having CHR is only because the NQ had CHR, and the NQ had CHR because of Dancing Edge.

[Arcon]

I believe the basis for the arguement about CHR in the LS I was in at the time was in regards to BRD being such a hate magnet. It is the job with the highest CHR rating isn't it?

It is, but even with no CHR gear at all a BRD can keep hate with the correct songs, because some songs are simply high-enmity by nature.

[Byrth]

Heh. Stack CHR for coke. That brings back memories.

It is also totally wrong. I would recommend you read some wiki game mechanics pages.

[SpankWustler]

Stack CHR for coke.

[Toadie-Odie]

Okay, that makes sense on both counts. Thank you, Kincard and Arcon.