Is there a need for job rolls anymore?

[GIJO]

When the game first started out each job had a specific role (tank/healer/magic dd/physical dd/debuff/etc). The game has come a long way from traditional parties. I think all of these new additions to the game are great. It gives players more freedom in leveling and playing the game in general. But as the levels increased some jobs became very diversified and some are still confined to their original roles...PLD, DRK, WHM, for example. It seems like some jobs have just become situational while other are more versatile and can do almost any content in the game.

This brings me to my question. Should all jobs be given more balance to play a more varied part in the game? Give WHM more white magic attack/enfeeble spells, give PLD more dd properties, give DRK more defensive options like MNK and SAM?

This would increase the freedom of the game and to me the more freedom we have to play the class we like the more fun the game becomes. I know a few people that have stopped playing because the job they liked was no longer fun.

How would you modify the jobs?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I was hoping against hope this was about COR...

[Demon6324236]

When the game 1st started, roles mattered, then a weakness system was introduced, and roles no longer mattered. Everything in abyssea was just a WAR, THF, NIN, BLM, WHM, BLU, and MNK... with this, you could do anything you wanted and get away with it easily. Then Void Watcher came out, and weaknesses were back again, but this time much more restricting. A very certain setup was needed for most things to be won because of procing.

All I'm trying to say is, even if they were to give PLD an attack boost, wouldn't matter much, because it doesn't attack in the one thing it does well enough to matter, or if it does attack, it cant hold hate because hate cap is screwed up. DRK can actually live as well as a SAM or MNK, because it has Drain & Aspir with WSs that also give you HP & MP. And for the love of god, NEVER again say that WHM should get more enfeebling... RDM is dead/dying because WHM & BLM have TO MANY enfeebling, so much so they have every single one RDM has if together, except the T2 spells.

I would like to see jobs have roles again, but I'm afraid at this point they have screwed the game so much it wouldn't matter even, we have been forced to use certain jobs to win, even in events that do not need procs you need SCH, SMN, BRD, or something of the sort, because they made the enemys hit to hard, or have to be zerged down to fast. Just how it is...

[Dathus]

You keep typing it wrong. Roles*

[GIJO]

You keep typing it wrong. Roles*

Thanks. That's what I get for trying to post at 2 am.

[Demon6324236]

Thanks. That's what I get for trying to post at 2 am.

lol I know the feel, same thing I did with my entire reply ><;

[cidbahamut]

I thought Chaos Roll was still relevant.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The Roles are not broken, this game is.

[Vivivivi]

There is and there isn't. Depends on what you're doing, and how many of you are doing it. Abyssea is generally limited to NIN WAR WHM BLM BLU BRD MNK, with occasional non-proc jobs for support roles or extra DD support. Voidwatch requires nearly every job for procs, Dynamis is kinda broken to where you can solo farm on DNC with no sub.

However there is other content that requires more traditional party setups such as the new NMs in Dynamis, higher level ZNMs, things like King Behemoth and others, and I kinda like things this way.

There is some content that can be powered through with almost any setup, with competent players, making for fun ways to mix things up, and there is other content which requires more thought out battle strategies, and I like having the option of both ^^

[Demon6324236]

There is and there isn't. Depends on what you're doing, and how many of you are doing it. Abyssea is generally limited to NIN WAR WHM BLM BLU BRD MNK, with occasional non-proc jobs for support roles or extra DD support. Voidwatch requires nearly every job for procs, Dynamis is kinda broken to where you can solo farm on DNC with no sub.

However there is other content that requires more traditional party setups such as the new NMs in Dynamis, higher level ZNMs, things like King Behemoth and others, and I kinda like things this way.

There is some content that can be powered through with almost any setup, with competent players, making for fun ways to mix things up, and there is other content which requires more thought out battle strategies, and I like having the option of both ^^

While as much as I agree you can do them with traditional partys, you can also cheat now, SMN with PD makes any fight that would take thought basically just a zerg.

Such an example is the 95-99 limit break. I did it day 1 with a traditional party setup, a PLD tanking, a WHM healing, a RDM backup healing and giving refresh/buffs, a DRK, a NIN for backup tanking, and a THF. It was fun and hard, we won on the 2nd go but only because we had the tail to win. Without the tail it would have been a fun challenge. However now lets look at the cheat way, a SMN, 5 MNKs, and you win, all the SMN does is pop PD & Ifrit/Favor, then HFZerg the Taru to death. If you win then the MNKs killed him fast enough, if they didn't you go get a COR to reset everyone and go again.