In case meriting protectra V wasn't bad enough...

[saevel]

I believe the guys on bg showed that mobs ratio can go under 1.0, it's their min / max formula that is broken. Even at 0.5 ration mobs can still hit you for over 1.0 and won't ever hit you for 0 from defense. Any defense that brings you under 1.0 runs into such a diminishing return that it does nearly nothing.

Still with this update it might be worth meriting protectra V once, now that it's actually different from Protect IV.

[Motenten]

175 defense is pretty decent. If we take the old Ig-alima numbers they gave us (1059 attack), and give a player an arbitrary 400 defense without protect, current Protect V would put it at 460 defense, while new Protect V would give 575 defense.

Given a positive level correction of +1.0 (maybe 1.05, but 1.0 is good enough here), cRatio for current Protect V would be 3.302, while cRatio for new Protect V would be 2.842, for a 14% reduction in damage taken.

Use Berserk, and defense is reduced to 345 (current) or 431 (new), giving cRatios of 4.0 and 3.457, 13.6% reduction.

Remove the level correction component, and additional damage reduction is about 20%.

Only complaint I would have is that +5 defense per merit is pretty cheap, since meriting to 5/5 is only a 2% additional reduction in damage taken compared to 1/5. Make it +15 defense per merit (the equivalent of another Protect 1, and 6% damage reduction for taking it to 5/5) and it would be worthwhile to at least consider it.


Of course that's all based on the idea of the current flat increase, whereas Camate indicated it should actually be a percentage increase, so subject to change.

[Babekeke]

Only complaint I would have is that +5 defense per merit is pretty cheap, since meriting to 5/5 is only a 2% additional reduction in damage taken compared to 1/5. Make it +15 defense per merit (the equivalent of another Protect 1, and 6% damage reduction for taking it to 5/5) and it would be worthwhile to at least consider it.

This.

Although these updates to Protect as a whole are great, it still doesn't get around the fact that it's just not worth meriting protectra V if you're a full-time /SCH, and definately not worth putting more than 1 merit into it and getting the augment done on relic +2 for a total of 55 extra def.... or is it?

Looking at Montenten's figures above, 5/5 with augment will be an additional 5.5% reduction in damage compared to 1/5 and no augment.

[Dantedmc]

5.5% seems like enough for me to go 5/5 protectra V now, atleast until I actually see a need for a devotion. Though I may 4/5 Protectra V and 1/5 devotion just because. The difference between 1/5 Shellra V and 5/5 augmented is only around 5% too correct?

[saevel]

That's only on something with 1000 attack, it gets less as the monsters attack gets close to your defense.

Definitely worth 1/5 though.