In case meriting protectra V wasn't bad enough...

[Llana_Virren]

Yes tell the pld who is holding a dangerous mob bring it back to all the mages and ranged and see how they respond or tell the drk to severely decrease his damage in a event where you need to do alot of damage in a short period of time. Even if it did work out, that's using devotion on two jobs in an event that no one currently does.

Typically, the mob the PLD is holding is an add, and he won't burn out all of his MP holding it because no one else is fighting it.

As for the DRK, the issue is that you can Devotion him (or the PLD, or the BLU, or whoever, really) but you're not doing it every 3 minutes... if as a WHM you cannot time -when- to approach, or as a DRK or BLU, you cannot figure out that 3 seconds of stepping away will not hurt the team, you'll be fine.

Devotion is not done every 3 or 5 minutes, so freaking out about hurting your precious DoT is irrelevant. If you -need- the MP, that means you -need- the MP. You have to figure out what is more important, your MP, or your TP. As I said, the 3-5 seconds it takes to get into Devotion range is such a non-issue I'm surprised someone tried to bring it up at all.

[Dantedmc]

Typically, the mob the PLD is holding is an add, and he won't burn out all of his MP holding it because no one else is fighting it.

So we're lowering the number of jobs devotion is used on to drk (since you said pld won't need it and its unlikely the blu will be in the same pt as the whm).

Also I love how we skipped over the major point of my post that devotion is rarely used and does not need to be 5/5'd, which must be true since all we can talk about is a hypothetical situation in an event that is hardly ever done. Truth of the matter is the only merit that really matters is 5/5 shellra V.

[Llana_Virren]

So we're lowering the number of jobs devotion is used on to drk (since you said pld won't need it and its unlikely the blu will be in the same pt as the whm).

Also I love how we skipped over the major point of my post that devotion is rarely used and does not need to be 5/5'd, which must be true since all we can talk about is a hypothetical situation in an event that is hardly ever done. Truth of the matter is the only merit that really matters is 5/5 shellra V.

I use it as soon as the need arises. Will this be exactly in 10 minute intervals? Maybe, maybe not. It would depend on what I'm doing.

The issue (and the argument which was presented) is that Shellra V and Devotion are the only things in that category of any benefit to merit, not that Devotion is somehow vital to the effort.

[Babekeke]

Then you effectively only have 9 tier II merits for WHM. People are taking the exact same amount of damage. At least Devotion does something.

When low-manning NMs in abyssea for grellow, the BLM/BRD will be very thankful of devotion, especially if you're fighting a mob that can't be aspir'd.

When you get really unlucky on procs on a VWNM like Pil and can't get your temps back, everyone's going to get short of MP.

Like Llana said, this isn't about how necessary Devotion is, it's about how ridiculously stupid and under-powered protectra 5 is! It should have a boost of at least 15 IMO to the base def before merits for it to even be worth 1/5.

[Insaniac]

The solution is -1-2% pdt per extra merit in Tectra5 and -0.5% pdt per merit added with the augmented feet. 99% of ffxi problems are solved with 2 seconds of rational thought.

[Babekeke]

The solution is -1-2% pdt per extra merit in Tectra5 and -0.5% pdt per merit added with the augmented feet. 99% of ffxi problems are solved with 2 seconds of rational thought.

This is pretty much what I said in the OP^^

[Insaniac]

This is pretty much what I said in the OP^^

Yar, I agree with the pdt idea and have been saying that for years. I think they should give people a reason without the augmented feet to put more than one merit in so most of the pdt should be from the extra merits and a little more from the augment. Just like shell v.

[Babekeke]

Unfortunately, that's common sense.

[InsideOut]

It really should be stronger but wtf is with all of this nonsense about using one of your two initial stratagems to Protect V your own party?

If you are doing that then you might as well hit your Protectra IV macro to save yourself some time, MP, and a stratagem.

[Llana_Virren]

It really should be stronger but wtf is with all of this nonsense about using one of your two initial stratagems to Protect V your own party?

If you are doing that then you might as well hit your Protectra IV macro to save yourself some time, MP, and a stratagem.

What exactly are you saving this strategem for (which is regained in 30sec)? You use this strategem at the same time your BRDs/CORs are rotating. Nothing is going to require two strategem uses within the first 30sec of a fight... so just use it like it's meant to be used.

Also, you're not saving any time because this is pre-start, and you're not saving any MP because you refresh to full on VW start... or you auto-refresh/refresh-effect it back over time. Really, are you trying to say that "Protect"-ing your party is a waste of MP?