RDM/RNK make it good

[ManaKing]

Begin Unrealistic Rant....

Toys I want to steal from RNK from subbing it:

• Fencer
• Enhancing magic job abilities at full potency
• Anything else my wretched, melee-heart desires later

[Demon6324236]

Honestly it would be nice however I think I will probably stick to DNC or NIN because of Dual Wield which I don't see Rune getting.

[saevel]

Unless it gives DWIII @49 or under then it won't be worth subbing for anything melee related. Possibly some long solo work similar to what /BLU is used for.

Yes DWIII is ~that~ powerful for 1H jobs.

[ManaKing]

So is the unknown. Sure it won't pan out, but it could.

If they give us a job ability that enhances our enspell potency by a significant (i.e. broken good) margin and give us Fencer at the same time you could do well with an Almace or an Excal. You also get to keep your shield.

While Fencer is not greater than DW III, RDM really doesn't have any specialized itemization for critical hits and TP bonus works on our best 2 weapon skills.

I just want to be able to steal enough toys from /RNK so that it will be a viable option along with /NIN.

[saevel]

So is the unknown. Sure it won't pan out, but it could.

If they give us a job ability that enhances our enspell potency by a significant (i.e. broken good) margin and give us Fencer at the same time you could do well with an Almace or an Excal. You also get to keep your shield.

While Fencer is not greater than DW III, RDM really doesn't have any specialized itemization for critical hits and TP bonus works on our best 2 weapon skills.

I just want to be able to steal enough toys from /RNK so that it will be a viable option along with /NIN.

Ok let me put it in perspective.

DW I = -10%, 100/90 = 11.11% DPS improvement
DW II = -15% 100/85 = 17.64% DPS improvement
DW III = -25% 100/75 = 33.33% DPS improvement
DW III + Suppa = -30% 100/70 = 42.85% DPS improvement

Not to mention the additional hit on WS's and the STR + 11 ATK + 22(27.5) from off hand.

Enspells would have to do ~200 per hit to get anywhere close to that. Not likely with how SE is right now. Best idea would be for SE to crumble and just give BST and RDM native DW equal to what they get from SJ at 90.

[Babekeke]

Ok let me put it in perspective.

DW I = -10%, 100/90 = 11.11% DPS improvement
DW II = -15% 100/85 = 17.64% DPS improvement
DW III = -25% 100/75 = 33.33% DPS improvement
DW III + Suppa = -30% 100/70 = 42.85% DPS improvement

Not to mention the additional hit on WS's and the STR + 11 ATK + 22(27.5) from off hand.

Enspells would have to do ~200 per hit to get anywhere close to that. Not likely with how SE is right now. Best idea would be for SE to crumble and just give BST and RDM native DW equal to what they get from SJ at 90.

25% gear haste +43% magic haste cap = 68% delay reduction = Almace (99) DPS going from 18.75 up to 58.59
Add DW3 + suppa = 77% delay reduction = Almace (99) DPS going up again to 81.52 (39.1% improvement over single wield)
So it looks good... However:

Add in a DNC to your pt with 5/5 haste samba!
25% gear haste +43% magic haste cap + 10% Samba= 78% delay reduction (2% off cap) = Almace (99) DPS of 85.22 (45% increase over no samba)
Now, you only need 10% DW to hit the haste cap, so DW2 or 3 will both put you over. In this situation (and it's probably a quite unlikely situation to be in), Fencer will offer you a decent benefit, though not necessarily better than the last 2% haste.

My recommendation: If you're in this situation, sub WAR and get 5% crit rate, 20 tp bonus, 10% double attack, Berserk and Warcry.

[saevel]

25% gear haste +43% magic haste cap = 68% delay reduction = Almace (99) DPS going from 18.75 up to 58.59
Add DW3 + suppa = 77% delay reduction = Almace (99) DPS going up again to 81.52 (39.1% improvement over single wield)
So it looks good... However:

Add in a DNC to your pt with 5/5 haste samba!
25% gear haste +43% magic haste cap + 10% Samba= 78% delay reduction (2% off cap) = Almace (99) DPS of 85.22 (45% increase over no samba)
Now, you only need 10% DW to hit the haste cap, so DW2 or 3 will both put you over. In this situation (and it's probably a quite unlikely situation to be in), Fencer will offer you a decent benefit, though not necessarily better than the last 2% haste.

My recommendation: If you're in this situation, sub WAR and get 5% crit rate, 20 tp bonus, 10% double attack, Berserk and Warcry.

Your not hitting that haste cap without embrava or SV march's, and if you have those then why the hell is the RDM in that party or meleeing. Heck you just mentioned adding a DNC ..... seriously .....

Now sho

[ManaKing]

Your not hitting that haste cap without embrava or SV march's, and if you have those then why the hell is the RDM in that party or meleeing. Heck you just mentioned adding a DNC ..... seriously .....

Now sho

Babekeke is pointing out the theoretical advantage of fencer. It is completely possible to do that and thus they are correct. Will this happen regularly? Probably not, SE would have to set up a situation where it would advantageous and that situation does not presently exist.

[Babekeke]

In this situation (and it's probably a quite unlikely situation to be in), Fencer will offer you a decent benefit, though not necessarily better than the last 2% haste.

Your not hitting that haste cap without embrava or SV march's, and if you have those then why the hell is the RDM in that party or meleeing. Heck you just mentioned adding a DNC ..... seriously .....

Now sho

I guess your reading is poor, or selective (or you're simply trolling).

Your not hitting that haste cap without embrava or SV march's

You can hit the Haste cap with haste + double march with +4 March.
Adv. March (6.3) +4 (6.3), Vic. March (9.5) +4 (6.3) + Haste (15) = 6.3 + 6.3 + 9.5 +6.3 + 15 = 43.4.
I got these figures from BG wiki, so I'm assuming that they're right. There is however, nothing on the page to show any proof of testing, so I can't put this forward as fact.
You don't even need a relic to hit +4 march, using Langeleik and Emp hands +2.

Or you could just Marcato one of the marches. Even with only march +2 in gear, using Marcato on Victory March will allow you to hit the magic haste cap!

Oh, and this can be achieved in a party of 3 people, DNC, RDM and BRD. Not really content that youy need SV or Embrava on, is it?

[Sunrider]

The most I'm hoping for in RNF is that it's introduction offers a a plethora of means of En-spell exploitation, similar to what SCH's intro did for the tier 1 accuracy calculation.

Hopefully RNF will mean an abundance of En-spell + gear that perhaps RDM can utilize too.