How to make RDM necessary for our enfeebling!

[Demon6324236]

I think something should be done with Enfeebling Magic, somehow it needs to be made that our skill is the main thing to effect it, be it effect the potency or duration alone, or accuracy as well, whatever it effects needs to be much more potent, seeing as RDM can hit this skill higher easier than others, and would allow us to be better at enfeebling all the same, so that even after this Enfeebling update that is coming up, we are not still left out in preference of a WHM & BLM who can do the same spells we can (excluding the II/III versions) and we will be needed.

The main problem with this being that either it must have a massive effect on the accuracy of the spell, or it will not solve the issue for procing, seeing as potency and duration will not matter. Yet I think this would have some impact on Enfeebling going to RDMs, because since we have the highest skill if it really mattered more on skill than magic acc gear, we would beat other jobs, such as WHM does with healing.

Its simply a matter of skill meaning more than MND/INT/Acc gear, because when those stack up to the same as your skill gives you, the skill becomes insignificant, Healing had a great change with this, because its skill was put as its main factor, and now healing is great, I feel that with this type of change for Enfeebling magic, it would make RDM potent with them, while other jobs can use them, but not nearly as well.

Note:I am not saying the main or only focus of RDM should be in any way only enfeebling, only that the skill of which we have the highest of, have many (pointless) merits for, and many pieces of JSE that effect it where as others do not, should be more useful on RDM for these reasons, because we have these things making us obviously the job MENT to enfeeble, and this would give us an edge on it!

[Zerich]

the problem isn't rdm's potency of enfeebles, it's the fact that another heavy hitting DD or more efficient healer would out-benefit a rdm on relevant content.

[Demon6324236]

Like I said, it could/would also be accuracy for the enfeebling, so that a higher skilled RDM will land Slow where as a WHM may not, it would not be perfect but if the accuracy was so greatly effected by skill than RDM would be more likely used for these procs, its not perfect but if it were to happen then it would give more reason to bring a RDM once the change is made to enfeebling. It would open up the idea that RDM can actually land enfeebling, and land it more effectively than a WHM or BLM.

I'm not saying it will make RDM heavily wanted, but we can already do the job of a BLM who would do the enfeebling & 2-4 spell procs, its not as if the party losses something from it, but it might be something we get into easier because of enfeebling. Honestly enfeebling wouldn't do much of anything if it did stick, everything is zerged to a point that all we do is watch it spam TPs, so Para & Slow wouldn't help, cant kite anything anymore so Gravity is out, cant use Silence, to restrictive, all in all I'm just saying for what its worth, RDM should get more enfeebling use for at least procs.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Accuracy is negligible. When Enfeebling magic is actually potent, and worthwhile RDM's will be brought to participate.

The only fix is to make a couple of things.

1. Unique enfeebles that actually do CRIPPLE the enemies, allowing for easier battles. (such as -TP, Paralyze on TP moves, the -evasion sticking on Gravity when -movement speed doesn't etc)
2. Enfeebles unique to RDM outside of merits.

Immunity, the fact a lot on NM's normal attacks count as TP moves, and so on is what is blocking the need for an enfeebler.

[saevel]

1. Unique enfeebles that actually do CRIPPLE the enemies, allowing for easier battles. (such as -TP, Paralyze on TP moves, the -evasion sticking on Gravity when -movement speed doesn't etc)
2. Enfeebles unique to RDM outside of merits.

Pretty much this. SE needs to make a line of new enfeebles that reduce the monsters stats and don't have crap potency. Defense Down / Accuracy Down / Evasion Down / Attack Down / Magic Attack Down / Magic Defense Down / STR down / AGI down and so forth. Maybe even a special RDM only enfeeble that removes all -DT effects for it's duration but has a long recast.

Those are what an alliance leader might bring a RDM for, not the silliness that is Slow / Paralyze / Blind.

[Ophannus]

A RDM version of Tomahawk(Albeit weaker so it doesn't encroach on WAR). Phalanx II being castable on anyone in alliance would be nice. A few more potent party buffs like Haste II would be cool. Increasing the cap potency of some enhancing magic such as Blink/Stoneskin would be nice too.

[Demon6324236]

A RDM version of Tomahawk(Albeit weaker so it doesn't encroach on WAR). Phalanx II being castable on anyone in alliance would be nice. A few more potent party buffs like Haste II would be cool. Increasing the cap potency of some enhancing magic such as Blink/Stoneskin would be nice too.

I remember reading somewhere that they have 3 settings, Self, Party, and Everyone, so to make Phalanx that way you would have to be able to cast it on anyone, inside or outside of the Alliance, which they wont do ofcourse.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I remember reading somewhere that they have 3 settings, Self, Party, and Everyone, so to make Phalanx that way you would have to be able to cast it on anyone, inside or outside of the Alliance, which they wont do ofcourse.

It's just another excuse, they could change it if they wanted.

[Demon6324236]

It's just another excuse, they could change it if they wanted.

Just tellin ya what I remember them saying, chances are they wouldn't change it anyways but it just gives them 1 more reason.

In anycase my main point in creating this thread and idea is because how Healing Magic got reworked. Healing Magic was basically worthless when it came to curing, healing update hit and it became the best part for curing. So far as I know RDM can hit higher numbers in Enfeebling Magic skill, if it were changed where this skill has a massive impact on it landing & its potency I think it would help RDM's position. The fact they are lowering all the resists and such soon is nice however its also got a flaw in this idea, this does not help RDM, it helps every single job with enfeebling magic, if RDM cannot stand above the other mages in this area still, it will matter nothing for RDM.

In other words, where the Healing Magic update made lesser cures more effective for non-WHMs, this would do the opposite for Enfeebling Magic. Enfeebling would be worse for non-RDMs and better for RDM itself so that it is actually more needed for the spells. Part of the problem also lies in the fact the spells are on short recasts and easily spamable, you can just keep trying over and over, eventually it will stick anyways. I have stuck poison 1/2/Ga on Morta for procing before BLMs because as BLU/RDM there were no BLU procs and somehow with BLU/RDM & Portent Pants, I could land them, I'm guessing extreme luck. But in any case fact is they landed with such small skill on such a high NM, I would think a BLU/RDM would have a snowballs chance in hell while a RDM with decked out gear, skill, and the like can cast it and land it in 1~2 casts with a good duration and effect.

Another change they could make is higher NMs having their normal attacks that count as TPs being able to be paralyzed. Para wouldn't help alot anyways, we feed mobs in VW so much TP with the 6+ DDs on it that it probably gets almost nothing off of normal attacks anyways (not to mention fantatics is a TP cockblock to them from their normal hits anyways.) Many ideas for new spells have been presented and shot down or ignored, and honestly without expanding on skill difference mattering or new spells, unless RDM has some very overpowering 2hour with the new ones, RDM is going to stay how it is, being left out.

[geekgirl101]

What an RDM can specialise themselves in (dia 3, slow 2, paralyze 2) a WHM can do the lower tiers and land them perfectly and that's good enough. The only outstanding spell an RDM has is phalanx 2 and that only has situational uses like FCs and certain NMs, even then you can do without if you got a good WHM who can keep up with the heals and the tanks are using regen atmas. RDMs are no longer a supporting class since their cures max at cure 4 and draws a tonne of hate, and their refreshes are not needed in Aby due to refresh abyssites. They can proc some yellow spells but not any of the -ga or AM ones. In short RDMs are an unnecessary class, thanks to Abyssea. Cheers SE for destroying the class that I enjoyed the most.