Stop leeching, start partying

[saevel]

Leveling slowly was NOT fun.

Good god it was horrible.

BRD RDM WAR MNK SAM or GTFO!

What you want to level your BST ... go away NUUUU XP FOR YOU

How about your SMN ... screw that go away

Hey I'm a good THF ... don't even bother, go away only BRD RDM WAR MNK SAM allowed. Go level a useful job!!!!!

That was XP prior to abyssea, and leaching has just become the natural extension of abyssea @99.

[Camiie]

With the recent increase in Fell Cleave parties and pay-to-leech groups, I've been having a harder and harder time finding people who want to put effort into leveling their jobs. Over the past month, it's been next to impossible to start a party anywhere other than worms in La Theine or dolls in Altepa, and not to mention the 45-minute breaks that people like to take in the book burn parties.

So no one wants to play your way? Most of the time people don't want to do what I want to either. No one is obligated to play like you or with you just as you aren't obligated to play like or with them. The Circle of Life doesn't involve the earth revolving around you.

Because of this, I'd like to propose a possible solution, which involves a change in the way exp is obtained. Instead of simply being in the same party as the person who finishes the mob, in order to gain exp, a person should have to do something to get on the mob's "hate list" in order to gain exp, in addition to being in the same party as the person who landed the finishing blow.

So people will set up a bot to cast Dia to get on the hate list. And you don't get credit unless you're in the same party as the person who landed the finishing blow? I want you to stop and think about what could possibly be wrong with that idea. I'm not going to help you.

It's not that I have an issue with people handing over money for free exp. My issue is that so many people have gotten into a habit of doing this that it's exceedingly difficult for players who want to put effort into leveling a job to do so.

If they're handing over gil it's not free. And, you seem to think that if someone isn't doing things your way, they're not putting the proper effort into a job. That's certainly a common idea amongst people. "If you're not doing it like me you're doing it wrong." It's a common idea, but not a very smart one.

[Muse]

Because of this, I'd like to propose a possible solution, which involves a change in the way exp is obtained. Instead of simply being in the same party as the person who finishes the mob, in order to gain exp, a person should have to do something to get on the mob's "hate list" in order to gain exp, in addition to being in the same party as the person who landed the finishing blow.

I bolded the part I'd like to address.

If you have to be on the hate list, IE do something to the monster and/or players on the monster, then what happens to people during parties who do not always have time to engage the monster and/or fighting another monster? That is experience they won't get even though they were actively playing. Did you think of that when posting this? What about during worm parties? I know that RNG's were once favored for them because they could one-shot worms. If that's true, then that is 17 people not gaining experience from a single worm. Now if all the DD's are one-shotting, then that is a major problem.


Edit: What about if you're that DD whose fighting a monster and then die? Hate is lost upon death, meaning if you do raise in time for the monster to die you will gain no experience for the work you have done. Would that be fine with you? Losing all the hard work you put into a monster's death only to have it taken away from you? I wouldn't.


I do agree however that people leeching in a normal party sucks. Especially when they are your stun on dolls, or your white mage. I do get a good laugh from self-destruct though. Watching a whole alliance wipe to one doll that wasn't stunned is just epic.

[wish12oz]

I do agree however that people leeching in a normal party sucks. Especially when they are your stun on dolls, or your white mage. I do get a good laugh from self-destruct though. Watching a whole alliance wipe to one doll that wasn't stunned is just epic.

I get laughs from people who cant kill dolls before they get 100 TP, and still cant kill them in the 5~ seconds it takes for them to blow up.

[Spiritreaver]

With the recent increase in Fell Cleave parties and pay-to-leech groups, I've been having a harder and harder time finding people who want to put effort into leveling their jobs. Over the past month, it's been next to impossible to start a party anywhere other than worms in La Theine or dolls in Altepa, and not to mention the 45-minute breaks that people like to take in the book burn parties.

Because of this, I'd like to propose a possible solution, which involves a change in the way exp is obtained. Instead of simply being in the same party as the person who finishes the mob, in order to gain exp, a person should have to do something to get on the mob's "hate list" in order to gain exp, in addition to being in the same party as the person who landed the finishing blow.

It's not that I have an issue with people handing over money for free exp. My issue is that so many people have gotten into a habit of doing this that it's exceedingly difficult for players who want to put effort into leveling a job to do so.

Discuss?

You can't un-ring the bell.

[saevel]

So what exactly would you consider AH buying then?

I'm spending gil, for advancement via third party's, their making my food that I'm using for my advancement. Mercing been around since 2004, its nothing new. People used to /sh and offer a bribe for someone to run them through the LB quests. How about selling drops off HNM? Your paying gil for "advancement" through third party's?

See there is no clear cut definition, no easy way out. You can't enforce your own personal beliefs on other players even though you want to.

Story time, this happened today btw.
So there is a /sh FC group going on. Some guy decides he's gonna ruin it and does jeuno /sh's for BLMs to help him kill the "RMT party". They form up and head out to the zone the FC group is at. They then follow the guy around and time nuke his mobs. Eventually they run and grab a NM nearby and run it into the group of AFK players (they thought) and proceed to CFH and kill half the group. What they didn't know was that the moment they started their shout, a member of that "afk RMT group" contacted a GM and was talking to that GM as the BLMs ran around messing with the FC'er. The moment they grabed the NM and killed those people, the GM jailed the leader of that group. Everyone got to see the leader suddenly vanish, the leader is now banned for griefing. The rest of the BLM group got off with a warning, they warped out so fast it was hilarious.

So go out and be stupid, watch what it gets you.

[Llana_Virren]

Story time, this happened today btw.
So there is a /sh FC group going on. Some guy decides he's gonna ruin it and does jeuno /sh's for BLMs to help him kill the "RMT party". They form up and head out to the zone the FC group is at. They then follow the guy around and time nuke his mobs. Eventually they run and grab a NM nearby and run it into the group of AFK players (they thought) and proceed to CFH and kill half the group. What they didn't know was that the moment they started their shout, a member of that "afk RMT group" contacted a GM and was talking to that GM as the BLMs ran around messing with the FC'er. The moment they grabed the NM and killed those people, the GM jailed the leader of that group. Everyone got to see the leader suddenly vanish, the leader is now banned for griefing. The rest of the BLM group got off with a warning, they warped out so fast it was hilarious.

So go out and be stupid, watch what it gets you.

I may have been the precursor to that... because I got MPKd by the Cuijatender after having just zoned into the area that the FC party was at, and I reported the guy. Guess the GMs decided to keep tabs on the area, so they could react faster in case another MPK GM call was made.

[scaevola]

The continued value of money in FFXI, to the extent that it's great enough to be useful in securing the assistance of more capable players on behalf of the less capable (whether that capability involves skill, knowledge, sheer time, or whatever) is probably the single best enduring quality of the game and I oppose anything that diminishes its value in any way.

[Xantavia]

I understand what the OP is saying. I might be reading it wrong, but the issue is that so many people have gotten in the habit of leeching, you can't make a party to fight anything anymore.

I think the last invite I got even to an abyssea party was a complete waste. Out of 15 people, maybe 5 of us were actively doing anything. The other 10 were scattered around the area, and the few low level players there weren't even keying chests.

I understand that it should be up to the leaders to boot anybody not pulling their weight (unless it was agreed upon ahead of time), but it gets really frustrating when everybody wants to leech and nobody wants to contribute.

[Llana_Virren]

It might get frustrating that you cannot find people to party with, but that doesn't mean leeching should be done away with. If people don't want to party, forcing them to do so will not be to anyone's benefit.

Lately, anti-leech sentiment has been leading up to players attempting to MPK leech parties, which is wrong.