Increase the number of meritable WS

[Dohati]

Disagree, and not liked. You should have to specialize, that's what merits were originally about.

You can already merit them all if you don't mind them not being as good.

but most of them are mediocre at best... i might agree with you if they were all super powerful

[FrankReynolds]

@ Alhanelem: Give me half of your paycheck.

This will not be considered gimping your income.

I will be giving you the opportunity to choose which bills that you want to enhance each month.

That's the kind of guy I am. Always here to help.

Seriously though... your still going on arguing with people about how "Everyone would have all the WS maxed" when no one in this thread has all the jobs to 99 to use them all?

[Alhanelem]

*We all know SE will not open up the whole categoriy to be maxed, and honestly aside from a few posters saying that they'd be ok with that even though they know it won't happen, i'm not seeing a ton of ppl asking for that.

If we all know this, why are people demanding it (or somewhat more accurately, why are people implying they want it to be this way if not outright demanding it)? It's just as futile as me trying to convince any of you of anything.

Instead, simply push the more realistic possibility that most of us here already agree with and support, and then maybe sometime in the future you might be able to ask for a bit more beyond that.

[Spiritreaver]

If we all know this, why are people demanding it (or somewhat more accurately, why are people implying they want it to be this way if not outright demanding it)? It's just as futile as me trying to convince any of you of anything.

Instead, simply push the more realistic possibility that most of us here already agree with and support, and then maybe sometime in the future you might be able to ask for a bit more beyond that.

First off, you didn't answer the question. It was pretty straight-forward: why are you still posting in this thread?


Moving on from that, what does it matter if what the vast majority of ppl weighing in on this want is futile or not? It doesn't incidentally, as if no one speaks up for a change, its highly unlikely that SE will even consider changing anything. Shoot, even IF ppl speak up more often than not the current dev team seems to ignore glaring issues as a rule. Asking for the merit WS category to be opened up in ANY fashion is a good thing. Just because the request wasn't delivered in a manner you personally approve of does not invalidate it in any way/shape/form.

Dealing with SE bullheadedness has always felt like haggling to me. You have to shoot very high in your initial pitch. Then you dicker around with them 'til a somewhat tolerable medium is found.

Should the whole category be completely opened up so everyone and their sister can merit each and every WS to 5/5? Personally i don't give a damn, at 1 million limit points a pop i say if someone wants to do that, good on them. Now i along with everyone else knows this isn't gonna happen. Ever. But if a few ppl clamor for that end along with everyone else of the mind that at least a bump from 3 -> 5ish WSs @5/5? So much the better imo. SE will eventually see that some cap raise is in order.

Its not like they haven't changed merit caps before is it?

Another thread like this one popped up a little ways back(not the one that popped up close to this one i think, but may be wrong). In it a poster relayed the gist of a conversation going on in the JP forum that was in the same vein; JP players were asking for a raise in the merit WS category cap as well. Long story short, SE gave some ridiculous reason for keeping the cap at 15 total merits-amounted to 'If we give you more, you'll just ask for more in turn'.

One of the most asinine responses i've ever seen a service provider give a customer. But totally par for the course in regards to how the current dev team operates.

I bring it up to illustrate the mindset of what we customers(and we ARE customers first and foremost here. We are customers and we are paying a monthly fee for a service that SE provides....shoddily granted, but...) are going up against with SE here.

You can take the role of the long-suffering customer and happily accept w/e type of service SE deigns give you-that's your right. But likewise, there are going to be other(many others in this case)that are going to be dissatisfied with the way SE has been running business of late. And its just shoddy and self-centered behavior on your part shouting down the legitimate requests of fellow customers because they are asking for too much, in your opinion.

I could see your stance as more reasonable if this was just some frivolous request on the part of the playerbase. But that really isn't the case. I've slammed ideas here on the official forums and elsewhere that were just stupid, so i get that feeling, i do. But when as many ppl think there is a problem with something-as IS the case here-as do here, its time to pack it in buddy. SE is gonna do what SE is gonna do in the end.

Anyways, i'm done. Next time just answer the question Alhanelem....

[FrankReynolds]

The answer is that he only plays 3 jobs and he thinks that should be plenty for everyone else. There for it must be law.

I'm pretty sure he's afraid that some guy is gonna come along and PWN him on PUP and be like "Hah! I wrecked you, and this is only my 9th favorite job!".

So he figures that if people can't get good stuff for their (9th favorite PUP) because they used all the merits on sam or war or monk etc. then he will always be a big fish in a small pond.

[Meyi]

...then he will always be a big fish in a small pond.

Ahahah. I love you. <3

[Alhanelem]

The answer is that he only plays 3 jobs and he thinks that should be plenty for everyone else.

wrong. 5 actually. So yes, the limit does affect me. I'm just not bothered by it. DRK SMN SCH DNC PUP. Was leveling ranger before I found some other games that were taking up too much of my time to play as much as I was before. And while I might be showing PUP over there<----- I play all of them.

First off, you didn't answer the question. It was pretty straight-forward: why are you still posting in this thread?

well, you didn't answer my question either, and instead posted a big long essay about why you think I'm wrong about whatever stuff. Apparently, you're not ready to ignore list me yet.

[Spiritreaver]

wrong. 5 actually. So yes, the limit does affect me. I'm just not bothered by it. DRK SMN SCH DNC PUP. Was leveling ranger before I found some other games that were taking up too much of my time to play as much as I was before. And while I might be showing PUP over there<----- I play all of them.

well, you didn't answer my question either, and instead posted a big long essay about why you think I'm wrong about whatever stuff. Apparently, you're not ready to ignore list me yet.

Puerile.

If you step down off of whatever you want to call what you are propping yourself on, you'll see that my "big, long essay" was my answer to you.

If we all know this, why are people demanding it (or somewhat more accurately, why are people implying they want it to be this way if not outright demanding it)?

Your's was a short question as well. But required a "big, long essay" for me to reply fully.

You however couldn't do me the courtesy of even a "'cause i wants to dawg! lawl!!" No worries tho Alhanelem, i relieve you of having to answer. You like to stir the pot, but when someone comes along and asks about the ingredients you are putting in, you want to toss the whole thing off. Its what i've come to to expect of you after all.

And no, i won't be putting you on the ignore list. I'm an adult and i like to see all expressed views, especially those contrary to mine. Helps me make informed decisions and readily develop answers(when necessary) on my own so i don't have to do things like parrot trite memes(not that you threw out such. just saying) or evade direct questions.

[RAIST]

wrong. 5 actually. So yes, the limit does affect me. I'm just not bothered by it. DRK SMN SCH DNC PUP.

That actually goes a long way towards explaining why you are not grasping how restrictive the system can be, even if they let us go to 25 merits instead of 15. With your listed job preferences, you are far less likely to run into the discrimination issue over WS availability on the jobs you like to play, as you stand a far better chance of having the desired WS meritted 5/5 (or at least 4/5, where they finally may catch up to or exceed the previous best WS for that job) on the jobs you like to play.

So, in a way, FrankReynolds was actually not far off on his assumption in the sense that you have a small pool of jobs that insulates you from being dramatically affected by the restrictions.

[Alhanelem]

Stuff

Are you purposely coming back here just so you validate your accusations of me being a troll? If my presence here is bothering you this much, why haven't you blocked me yet?

That actually goes a long way towards explaining why you are not grasping how restrictive the system can be

I Strongly disagree, because you don't need all 14 weapon skills to have one that's useable on every job. The system is supposed to be restrictive. I've already agreed that it is TOO restrictive, so why are you still picking me apart?