Increase the number of meritable WS

[Meyi]

number of jobs leveled does not equal skill either.

It's true. But I never once said that job number equates skill. I said purposeful practice leads to skill. Meaning, the more a person practices something and uses each trial of practice to educate themselves on the pros and cons of said trial then they will gain skill. Completely different than anything mentioned earlier.

you seem to be refusing to be open to other's opinions as well.

No, I am against behaviors, not opinions. It's okay to not want to unlock more than three jobs worth of merit weapon skills. It's okay to want to unlock more than three jobs worth of merit weapon skills. It's okay to have the opinion that more merit weapon skills will lead to less diversity, as it is okay to have the opinion that the opposite is true. What I'm against is constantly berating other people for voicing their own thoughts on the matter. To say ones' mind one time is acceptable... but to continuously put down other peoples' voices is different.

In other words, your opinion of specializing a character is acceptable. Repeatedly insinuating that other people are against specialization simply because they want to maximize their every job isn't.

When you do things you don't want to do, you're not playing a game. You're working. I don't need to level WAR or SAM to make my experience more enjoyable.

Then that's your choice. I personally sacrifice many things to make my playing experience better. I leveled red mage sub when I didn't want to. I did events when I didn't want to. The sacrifices are later rewarded with desired benefits. It's up to you which sacrifices you desire to make. Nobody said you had to level WAR or SAM... however, keep in mind, you may not be able to participate in events you want to simply because of that choice. And that's okay. Some people have the opinion that someone should level all jobs so as to provide the most beneficial to their group, some people believe they ought to level every job for their own benefit, and some people like you believe that only jobs that are enjoyable for the player should be leveled. There's no right or wrong opinion, it's just how people play.

I've already done that, so why did you write this post and troll me back into it?

1. Because you posted you were done while I was writing my post, and 2. because I am aware that you have aspergers. You've said before (maybe not on their forum but the wiki one) that sometimes it's difficult to understand what people are conveying to you emotionally. So, I figured I would do you a favor and let you know in written format how people are perceiving you. I wanted you to know for your own sake, not to troll. I don't troll people. I have better things to do with my time than waste it trying to tote someone's goat. It was your choice to come back and respond to my post, not mine. You're free to exit out of a post just as you are free to respond to them.

I've already agreed with the idea of a limit increase countless times in this thread. Where are you getting this idea that i'm giving a constant "no" response? Several of you seem to really enjoy trolling me. Otherwise you would have noticed my agreement, and the other thread on this topic which I "liked" and supported. Instead, you and others continue to pick a fight with me. We're fussing over details, when the actual issue has already been settled.

We're not trolling you. We're telling you we don't like your pessimism. There's a huge difference between straight out telling someone you're angry with them and trolling them. Please learn the difference. As for declaring you the "no" police, re-examine how many threads you have rejected. One agreement does not cancel out fifty other disagreements. Even this topic you have strongly fought against.

We don't start the war against details, just so you know.

[Verytus]

I can see that this has been a really great discussion with a lot of valid ideas put forth by many of you. However, it seems the discussion has become a bit unfocused and some people have begun to attack each other directly. As I said, this is a great thread, so hopefully we can bring it back on topic and continue the discussion.

[Drakhon]

"I ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE WEAPON SKILL POINT LIMIT."

I am unable to get the quote option to work properly because of my old computer and Firefox, so please forgive the crudeness of my quotes, but Alhanelem, this is why people are still arguing with you.

"Disagree, and not liked. You should have to specialize, that's what merits were originally about.

You can already merit them all if you don't mind them not being as good."

This was your first post on the subject in this topic. So as many times as you say you agree, you originally disagreed and that is what everyone believes of you not your 180 turn.

[Alhanelem]

This was your first post on the subject in this topic. So as many times as you say you agree, you originally disagreed and that is what everyone believes of you not your 180 turn.

I can see how hard it would be to believe (that one could have a change of heart) given how stubborn people are aound here (myself included), but I decided very early on that an increase in the limit would be OK. This is all the OP was originally asking for, but then some people were suggesting that it should be done away with altogether, which is something I still do not support. this began mostly because the OP was too brief and not specific. another thread was started later with a more specific suggestion and I both supoprted and liked that thread.

Then that's your choice. I personally sacrifice many things to make my playing experience better.

Playing a job I don't want to play degrades my playing experience, not makes it better. I guess some people just like to suffer. I don't find that my playing experience has improved when I do something I don't want to do for the sake of getting something for another job. Of course, if the job balance was better, it would rarely become an issue.

Personally, I gain more satisfaction when I use a particular job to earn things for that job. I enjoy the challenge presented by using different methods than the mainstream. But this is a "to each his own" kind of thing.

[FrankReynolds]

Bottom line:
You cannot say there needs to be a cap because if there wasn't everyone would unlock every WS...

When you yourself only have 5/20 jobs leveled.

Your very existence is proof that you are wrong.

The more you argue, the sillier you look.

[Nala]

Bottom line:
You cannot say there needs to be a cap because if there wasn't everyone would unlock every WS...

When you yourself only have 5/20 jobs leveled.

Your very existence is proof that you are wrong.

The more you argue, the sillier you look.

QFT, something i don't usually do.

[Alhanelem]

Bottom line:
You cannot say there needs to be a cap because if there wasn't everyone would unlock every WS...

When you yourself only have 5/20 jobs leveled.

Your very existence is proof that you are wrong.

The more you argue, the sillier you look.

The number of jobs I have leveled is irrelevant, especially considering ive already supported the idea of increasing the merit limit (for the 200 jillionth time and counting). Why you continue to argue against me when I'm on your side is beyond me. Maybe you're just trying to collect more likes by ridiculing me, I don't know. People do weird things sometimes. I still have to wonder, how many more pages of bashing me when I actually share (at least in part) the popular position it will take before people realize it?

[hiko]

All I play is three jobs (on the one character) and 3 WSs still means I'm screwed

for DRK BST and SAM I need Stardiver Shoha, Ruinator, Entropy, and Resolution

F T F Y..........
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[Finuve]

No, you don't need all four of them. The complaint in this thread is that you can't get enough weapon skills to have -one- for each job.

There is absolutely -nothing- wrong with this. It's a personal choice. That doesn't invalidate my opinions. I've been playing this game since soon after it came out. Don't you DARE try to paint me as a noob. I'm not as stupid as you apparently think I look- My opinion isn't purely based on my personal experiences.

Why WOULD I put effort into a job I don't want to play? I don't want to play it, therefore I'm not going to. Part of the fun is finding new and unusual ways of doing things. I've been to virtually every HNM in existence on one or more of those 5 jobs. It takes enough time to fully gear 5 jobs, much less 20, so believe me, it's more than enough to keep me busy. You're nothing but an elitist or a jerk if you look down on people for not having all 20 jobs leveled.

Bullshiat. You're still going to STOP eventually. It might take a little longer. There's still a finish line even without the limits. The difference is when everyone has hit that finish line, with the limits each character is a little different. Without those limits, every character is exactly the same.

yes i DO need all 4 of them, who are you to say I don't, and Hiko is right, I need stardiver too

[Llana_Virren]

yes i DO need all 4 of them, who are you to say I don't, and Hiko is right, I need stardiver too

Can't you just drop your merits out of one and start putting new merits somewhere else?

Or are you just saying that you want to be able to unlock everything without any "chocie" or "sacrifice" included?