Increase the number of meritable WS

[Alhanelem]

Because you aren't agreeing with the issue at hand, and have been perpetuating strawman arguments.

I have not made any "strawman" arugments. And the fact that you're picking a fight with me when I've already agreed with the thread suggestion for about the last 6 pages tells me that's what you're here for.

Why should it even matter to you WHY I agree with you, as long as I do?

Just stop. There's no point in this. I've already supported the suggestion, I'm not going to convince you of anything else, you're not going to convince me of anything else, just agree to disagree and we can all have a much more pleasant forum experience.

See you later, and have a wonderful evening.

[RAIST]

I have not made any "strawman" arugments. And the fact that you're picking a fight with me when I've already agreed with the thread suggestion for about the last 6 pages tells me that's what you're here for.

Why should it even matter to you WHY I agree with you, as long as I do?

Just stop. There's no point in this. I've already supported the suggestion, I'm not going to convince you of anything else, you're not going to convince me of anything else, just agree to disagree and we can all have a much more pleasant forum experience.

See you later, and have a wonderful evening.

You've droned on and on about specialization, and the importance of not having everyone be just like anyone else. That is NOT what this is about. It's about keeping consistent with the way the merit system has always worked.

Our "specialization," as you are so fond of going back to, has always been limited mostly within the scope of each individual job. WS could have simply followed the same format and been limited in the scope of the job and not the character as a whole. What they have done with this seemingly arbitrary global cap is undermine the entire system buy the simple fact that it forces you to pick (for many) 3 jobs to use, in some cases only two. By your own admission, it forces people to do something they have never done or otherwise would not do--like level another job they never intended, or neglect a job they have spent years building up--simply because of what the playerbase is now demanding in order to be able to participate in content.

If they wanted to place a restriction on the system, it perhaps would have been better to restrict it on a per job basis and not the global cap like they have done. If someone has taken the time to level a job, cap it's skills, obtain the best gear they can reasonably obtain---they should NOT be penalized from unlocking a WS on say THF or DNC because they leveled and unlocked for WAR, SAM, and DRK first. They could have capped it at 5 or 10 points per JOB...but 15 points, 25 points....whatever it may be in the end--as long as it is a global cap, it is simply out of synch to how everything has worked for the past 7 years or so since they first introduced the merit system.

THAT is the problem. It should not be a hard and GLOBAL cap like this. There are far better ways to implement this.

[Verytus]

I can see that this has been a really great discussion with a lot of valid ideas put forth by many of you. However, it seems the discussion has become a bit unfocused and some people have begun to attack each other directly. As I said, this is a great thread, so hopefully we can bring it back on topic and continue the discussion.

[Drakhon]

"I ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE WEAPON SKILL POINT LIMIT."

I am unable to get the quote option to work properly because of my old computer and Firefox, so please forgive the crudeness of my quotes, but Alhanelem, this is why people are still arguing with you.

"Disagree, and not liked. You should have to specialize, that's what merits were originally about.

You can already merit them all if you don't mind them not being as good."

This was your first post on the subject in this topic. So as many times as you say you agree, you originally disagreed and that is what everyone believes of you not your 180 turn.

[Alhanelem]

This was your first post on the subject in this topic. So as many times as you say you agree, you originally disagreed and that is what everyone believes of you not your 180 turn.

I can see how hard it would be to believe (that one could have a change of heart) given how stubborn people are aound here (myself included), but I decided very early on that an increase in the limit would be OK. This is all the OP was originally asking for, but then some people were suggesting that it should be done away with altogether, which is something I still do not support. this began mostly because the OP was too brief and not specific. another thread was started later with a more specific suggestion and I both supoprted and liked that thread.

Then that's your choice. I personally sacrifice many things to make my playing experience better.

Playing a job I don't want to play degrades my playing experience, not makes it better. I guess some people just like to suffer. I don't find that my playing experience has improved when I do something I don't want to do for the sake of getting something for another job. Of course, if the job balance was better, it would rarely become an issue.

Personally, I gain more satisfaction when I use a particular job to earn things for that job. I enjoy the challenge presented by using different methods than the mainstream. But this is a "to each his own" kind of thing.

[FrankReynolds]

Bottom line:
You cannot say there needs to be a cap because if there wasn't everyone would unlock every WS...

When you yourself only have 5/20 jobs leveled.

Your very existence is proof that you are wrong.

The more you argue, the sillier you look.

[Nala]

Bottom line:
You cannot say there needs to be a cap because if there wasn't everyone would unlock every WS...

When you yourself only have 5/20 jobs leveled.

Your very existence is proof that you are wrong.

The more you argue, the sillier you look.

QFT, something i don't usually do.

[Alhanelem]

Bottom line:
You cannot say there needs to be a cap because if there wasn't everyone would unlock every WS...

When you yourself only have 5/20 jobs leveled.

Your very existence is proof that you are wrong.

The more you argue, the sillier you look.

The number of jobs I have leveled is irrelevant, especially considering ive already supported the idea of increasing the merit limit (for the 200 jillionth time and counting). Why you continue to argue against me when I'm on your side is beyond me. Maybe you're just trying to collect more likes by ridiculing me, I don't know. People do weird things sometimes. I still have to wonder, how many more pages of bashing me when I actually share (at least in part) the popular position it will take before people realize it?

[hiko]

All I play is three jobs (on the one character) and 3 WSs still means I'm screwed

for DRK BST and SAM I need Stardiver Shoha, Ruinator, Entropy, and Resolution

F T F Y..........
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[Zumi]

The point of the merit system has always been to have specialization for your character. They don't want you to be the best at everything in the game. I am perfectly fine with 3 merit WS skills capped.