Second Automaton

[Drac]

I think it's about time that pups level 99 gained the ability to summon a second Automaton.

Now before you completely dismiss the idea, hear me out.

1. It would be awesome

2. Some limitation would be have to be set.
- can't have 2 of the same frame out or something
- large cooldown for 2nd Maton.

3. It would be better than our current 2hour (not saying it should replace it, maybe be an alternative)

4. It would not be overpowered compared to recent additions to the game. (/debate)

Feel free to discus this idea below.
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[Llana_Virren]

Let SMNs and BSTs do the same thing, and you might have yourself an argument.

[Kose]

How would that work though? Would the 2nd automaton have it's own set of maneuvers? I think it'd be pretty cool in a way because it opens up the realm for so many possibilities... but it also potentially unleashes a huge headache.

Let SMNs and BSTs do the same thing, and you might have yourself an argument.

Why should SMN/BST get something just because PUP does?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

How would that work though? Would the 2nd automaton have it's own set of maneuvers? I think it'd be pretty cool in a way because it opens up the realm for so many possibilities... but it also potentially unleashes a huge headache.

Why should SMN/BST get something just because PUP does?

For arguement's sake SMN should get this more than any of the others as it's the one job without that strong of a pet.

That said: Why shouldn't they, DRG should get two pets too.

[Kose]

For arguement's sake SMN should get this more than any of the others as it's the one job without that strong of a pet.

That said: Why shouldn't they, DRG should get two pets too.

I wasn't saying they shouldn't get it. I was just saying that if PUP was to ever get something like this, I don't see how that's reasoning behind replicating it for BST/SMN/DRG. I do think as far as possibilities go (for PUP and SMN anyway. I'm not too familiar with DRG and BST) it'd be interesting but I'm not sure that I'd actually want it.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I wasn't saying they shouldn't get it. I was just saying that if PUP was to ever get something like this, I don't see how that's reasoning behind replicating it for BST/SMN/DRG. I do think as far as possibilities go (for PUP and SMN anyway. I'm not too familiar with DRG and BST) it'd be interesting but I'm not sure that I'd actually want it.

Well I suppose all pet jobs while different all follow the same logic of one pet each, It's the balancing between pet jobs, if SE were to change that it'd need to be universal through all pet jobs.

[Llana_Virren]

Why should SMN/BST get something just because PUP does?

They shouldn't, which was my point. PUP has no need for an additional pet, when all other pet jobs (including SMN, which is probably the weakest of them) have not even been considered for this kind of adjustment.

The counter-question: Why -should- PUP get this?

[Kristal]

They shouldn't, which was my point. PUP has no need for an additional pet, when all other pet jobs (including SMN, which is probably the weakest of them) have not even been considered for this kind of adjustment.

The counter-question: Why -should- PUP get this?

Beastmaster needs to maintain control over his pet. Lose control (such as Charm breaking) and the pet does whatever it pleases. Including attacking it's former master. Splitting that attention between two pets could prove disastrous.

Summoners need to maintain a link to the astral plane to keep a summon around. That link cannot be shared.

Dragoon pets are very very rare. Bordering extinction. Having two around would be nigh impossible.. not to mention inconvenient if you happen to have a male and female...

Puppetmaster does not have to maintain anything. Automatons are self-sufficient, and whole groups of automatons could technically be controlled by a single master.

That is why puppetmaster would be most suited for multiple pets. Gameplay-wise it might not work out due to balance, but lore-wise there is little against it. BST, DRG and SMN could get other specific bonusses instead of multi-pet, though.
BST - big pets (like behemoths, or giant versions of normal jugpets)
DRG - big wyvern (like the mob version)
SMN - would be a bit harder.. perhaps the SMN itself takes on the astral form of the avatar summoned, with benefits of that form.

[Cabalabob]

Beastmaster needs to maintain control over his pet. Lose control (such as Charm breaking) and the pet does whatever it pleases. Including attacking it's former master. Splitting that attention between two pets could prove disastrous.

Summoners need to maintain a link to the astral plane to keep a summon around. That link cannot be shared.

Dragoon pets are very very rare. Bordering extinction. Having two around would be nigh impossible.. not to mention inconvenient if you happen to have a male and female...

Puppetmaster does not have to maintain anything. Automatons are self-sufficient, and whole groups of automatons could technically be controlled by a single master.

There are many mobs in the game that have multiple avatars/spirits so SMN is not true, there is a npc freelancer bst in the past who has 3-4 pets at a time so not true, drg maybe, seeing as the whole point is that you share a bond with your specific dragon.

So there is not much problem lore wise for other jobs to have multiples, as for the idea of 2 pets it would have to be severely gimped, maybe make it so you have to have a second animator (animator/turbo animator/animator +1/deluxe animator + support animator) and give both pets separate manuvers with a shared overload rate,(this would essentially making the master useless as you'd have to be constantly swapping animators losing you all your tp to keep each pets manuvers going and increasing the likelihood of overload with 2 puppets). They could also Make them share frames/attatchments(instead of buying seperate ones for the second puppet) that way you can't have 2 puppets doing the same thing.

Although the idea is unlikely, I can see it being workable.

[Jackastheripper]

As a Pup, no thanks.