Sanus Ensis?

[saevel]

Internet logic at it's greatest. This is getting fun.

You don't need Athos Tabard or floor 100 gear for an evasion set, especially not for Dynamis. Try again sweetheart.

Your saying you can get that quite easily while maintaining 25% haste and not crippling your damage? BS.

I never doubted that if a BLU put enough effort into it they could get high evasion. What I doubted was getting capped evasion on a level 97 monster while also having capped haste and not crippling your damage.

In order to accomplish that you must use the aforementioned items otherwise you end up giving up haste for evasion. Specifically the Athos / Nyzule 100 sets are whats' required. The feet are piss easy to get but the body is a nightmare. People are 0/200+ for a Toci's and you expect Athos body to be "easy"?

[Prothscar]

Ok, so you tell me then Saevel.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/226965

Swap Athos with Mavi, like you should be doing in Dynamis anyway, and like I said you should be doing in the first place, and tell me: what part of this set includes "some of the rarest items available"? And explain to me why this set wouldn't be capping evasion on Dynamis mobs, fodder, among the weakest monsters currently fought in any pseudo-endgame event. Also explain to me how much your damage is crippled from these gear swaps, in exact increments.

[saevel]

I use Antares harness since I don't own Athos if I need evasion in the body slot, is that what you wanted to hear?

It's not about nick picking sets and what have you. Your not getting 23% hit rate, using relatively easy to get pieces you can probably get 40~50%, maybe even ~35% while still keeping 25% haste but that's pushing it. This would require you gearing specifically for this and slowing down your kill rate, which results in longer kills and more swings at you. Kinda counter-productive, which is the point I was hoping people would realize halfway through their "most prove Saevel wrong at all costs" exercise. Giving up a little bit of offensive power for more utility is a handy trade off especially in the healing department. Using your TP for Healing Watz III is a prime example of this (only way your going to heal without M.fruit). Stripping down your gear sets just to fit a few more points of evasion is ridiculous, especially if the whole thing is just theoretical.

Really funny part is that I don't even try for evasion and me + THF friend pulled in 350/36 on DC's in valk. I didn't even have to resort to putting on the cure sword, things just died that fast that we were never in trouble. A few times of the Fungar's breath getting someone to ~300 HP, but that's solved instantly by M.fruit (me) + CWIII (THF). Although we've had a few bad moments in Tav involving bombs and leeches.

[saevel]

Ok, so you tell me then Saevel.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/226965

Swap Athos with Mavi, like you should be doing in Dynamis anyway, and like I said you should be doing in the first place, and tell me: what part of this set includes "some of the rarest items available"? And explain to me why this set wouldn't be capping evasion on Dynamis mobs, fodder, among the weakest monsters currently fought in any pseudo-endgame event. Also explain to me how much your damage is crippled from these gear swaps, in exact increments.

You'll figure it out eventually.

[Prothscar]

Sorry, the burden of proof lies on you not me. You're challenging what is considered to be normal conduct, and information that has been known about the game for years and years. Sets like mine, Neisan's, and Nightfyre's have been proven to work time and time again.

So no, sir, it's you that has to figure it out. I will not be accepting a cop-out response.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It's not as huge of a loss in killspeed as you're trying to make it out to be, nor do you need to gear that is 'incredibly' hard to obtain except for a perfect set. The exception is phasmida belt and athos's boots, and that's if you're seriously screwed on drops (Belt is uncommon, Boots is supposed to be the rare drop but I've still seen far more of them than certain other rare drops).

[Prothscar]

The loss in killspeed is so minute that it isn't even noticeable unless you're doing dynamis horribly wrong tbh... I don't see how this is a factor in the discussion to begin with. You require only a basic concept of how the game works, and how to play blue mage, to realize why.

[Helel]

I can't believe people are even arguing about this. If you guys think proth is wrong then direct yourselves to the BG topic on blue mage please. I feel like there's a serious lack of reading comprehension and/or research going on here. If you guys seriously didn't know that a BLU evasion set was a possibility then you're behind quite a few months. Welcome to the present.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Just so you know, I hate people who won't take a hint. BLU and PLD evade about the same, that's a fact. I don't care how you gear BLU, or if it maintains DD capability while PLD doesn't if it gears for Evasion, who the fuck cares. I told you I wasn't interested in this discussion at all, I'm not even reading any of these posts. The fact is, you have to gear for Evasion and sacrifice other things for BLU to cap Evasion. Yes, you don't need to sacrifice nearly as much as on PLD, but again, I have no interest whatsoever in this discussion, I don't care how much you have to sacrifice or what trade-offs you have to consider and how it relates to whatever PLD has to do for it. The fact that you can't use a regular setup to just go in like you would on PLD as well and magically evade more somehow means that they evade about the same. Everything you do after that is just you setting an arbitrary line for which trade-offs are good and which aren't.

And again, just to be very clear, I'm not defending saevel or trying to disprove anyone or partake in this discussion whatsoever, my intelligence was just offended by Neisan's ridiculous statement. I only checked this thread because it had a cool looking sword's name in the title. If I knew this was a BLU discussion, I wouldn't have even opened it at all because there is no job in this or any game that I could possibly care less about.

So you came here, into the BLU forum for no other reason than to prove your ignorance, completely ignore the discussion at hand and are somehow offended by people proving your pitiful lack of intelligence wrong. You sir are the definition of a troll.

[Tashan]

Just so you know, I hate people who won't take a hint. BLU and PLD evade about the same, that's a fact. I don't care how you gear BLU, or if it maintains DD capability while PLD doesn't if it gears for Evasion, who the fuck cares. I told you I wasn't interested in this discussion at all, I'm not even reading any of these posts. The fact is, you have to gear for Evasion and sacrifice other things for BLU to cap Evasion. Yes, you don't need to sacrifice nearly as much as on PLD, but again, I have no interest whatsoever in this discussion, I don't care how much you have to sacrifice or what trade-offs you have to consider and how it relates to whatever PLD has to do for it. The fact that you can't use a regular setup to just go in like you would on PLD as well and magically evade more somehow means that they evade about the same. Everything you do after that is just you setting an arbitrary line for which trade-offs are good and which aren't.

And again, just to be very clear, I'm not defending saevel or trying to disprove anyone or partake in this discussion whatsoever, my intelligence was just offended by Neisan's ridiculous statement. I only checked this thread because it had a cool looking sword's name in the title.

Except, it doesn't mean they evade the same. Just because base skill is the same doesn't mean that is how they perform. By your logic, a COR and a DNC would be the same when it came to using a dagger.

Or a PLD would have a better job healing than RDM because they have better healing magic skill.

If I knew this was a BLU discussion, I wouldn't have even opened it at all because there is no job in this or any game that I could possibly care less about.

At least you've admitted you don't know what you're saying.