Attacking Monsters with an Avatar While Being AFK.

[Sarick]

So you're still missing the point. Summoning your avatar and then going AFK is a chosen act.
Pressing on the gas is a chosen act.
Pressing a button is a chosen act.

If you can't see that using "summon avatar" and going AFK doesn't fit in the same category as somone who uses an infinite-loop macro by pressing "one button" ... then this whole issue is lost on you.

Frankly, I could care less. The issue is not that the avatar is auto-attacking . The issue is that the SMN is deliberately putting himself in a position where abusing that feature allows him to auto-claim monsters without actively playing the game.

There is a difference between using a feature, and abusing it. These Summoners were abusing it, which brought forth the undesirable wrath of SE.

Again, you're using the argument that "the game allows it, so it should be ok" but the game also allows players to leech EXP, which was something Duzell pointed out earlier.

The difference is that the prior interfered with other players while the latter does not.

You're the one missing the point. I already stated that I don't think it's in the best interest to not FIX this problem. I also pointed out that they have other issues that are clearly being ignored. The previous post about cars breaking laws isn't the same. These players are just standing around and gaining exp/etc while afk because a broken game feature. I did point out that others are doing the same thing using other means and no action is taken.

"auto-claim monsters without actively playing the game".

Their resolve is laughable when they refuse to do anything about other issues that disrupt the game. You know the ones that aren't because broken in game features. These interfere with the economy of hard working players who farm while not afk.

Judging by my quotes being butchered (partial quotes) I don't think half of what I've wrote even equals what people think I wrote.

[Llana_Virren]

These players are just standing around and gaining exp/etc while afk because a broken game feature. I did point out that others are doing the same thing using other means and no action is taken.

Their resolve is laughable when they refuse to do anything about other issues that disrupt the game. You know the ones that aren't because broken in game features. These interfere with the economy of hard working players who farm while not afk.

Judging by my quotes being butchered (partial quotes) I don't think half of what I've wrote even equals what people think I wrote.

Two things:

1. Your quotes are not being butchered. There's a difference between cutting out monologue to repeat only the core content of a quote (which I have done), and changing what a person said. Your message remained the same in every quotation.

2. You still don't understand. It's not farming while AFK that SE is freaking out about. It is farming specific mobs which other players need to farm, while AFK.

Again, if you look at the last 10 years of FFXI, the only time SE freaks out about this is when there is a significant impact on players (ie. interference). AFK leech parties do not do this (as of now) because no one bothers camping where they do; no one bothers fighting the mobs they do; and no one loses claim on monsters in the area they are fighting.

You may not see a difference, but SE does, and for as long as I've been playing FFXI, I can say that they've got it right on this one.

Oh, and on the touchy subject of leech parties, let me say this:

Just because someone leveled a job without doing leech parties, does not mean that person "had it harder." Unless you can recall the days where "EXP Chain #6!" was more rare than a JP party inviting an NA player, then you don't know what real EXP grinding is. Honestly, with the level cap pushed to 99, and the amount of EXP required, Abyssea became a necessity in order to allow players (both new, and old on a new job) to be able to quickly get to the meat and potatoes of the game.