[dev1107] Sange Update - Why?

[Karbuncle]

you are in no position to say who is wrong or right everyone pays to play remember that your not above anyone

Did you even read the third paragraph? I'm assuming not, Reading is hard, just like Booklearnin and Math right? Maybe i shoulda put more pictures of cats to keep those with short attention spans reading...

I said, If you enjoy playing NIN Throwing Shuriken? wonderful, Go Naruto It up all you want, You can play the game however you want, in fact, I advocate on more than one occasion that the game is suppose to be about fun. But heres the kicker, "Playing how i want" ends when you spew your misinformation on a public forum. You can't claim "I do it for fun" when you come parading around about how awesome it is, provide no proof to your claim, and continue to try and ignore any amount of evidence shown to refute your claims that Throwing is useful.

You can go RPShuriken all you want, But posting how good it is when its actually really awful, on a forum where a lot of new users would probably go first, is detrimental to the playerbase. They should know if they want to be a good NIN, throwing has 0 place, Its something fun you can do on the side, But in no ways helps the job in a meaningful positive way.

I don't have any cat pictures, so hopefully you read past the first paragraph this time.

[vixin]

Did you even read the third paragraph? I'm assuming not, Reading is hard, just like Booklearnin and Math right? Maybe i shoulda put more pictures of cats to keep those with short attention spans reading...

I said, If you enjoy playing NIN Throwing Shuriken? wonderful, Go Naruto It up all you want, You can play the game however you want, in fact, I advocate on more than one occasion that the game is suppose to be about fun. But heres the kicker, "Playing how i want" ends when you spew your misinformation on a public forum. You can't claim "I do it for fun" when you come parading around about how awesome it is, provide no proof to your claim, and continue to try and ignore any amount of evidence shown to refute your claims that Throwing is useful.

You can go RPShuriken all you want, But posting how good it is when its actually really awful, on a forum where a lot of new users would probably go first, is detrimental to the playerbase. They should know if they want to be a good NIN, throwing has 0 place, Its something fun you can do on the side, But in no ways helps the job in a meaningful positive way.

I don't have any cat pictures, so hopefully you read past the first paragraph this time.

good for you and dont quote anyone if your going to be a lazy ass, i never said shurikens out dmg dual weild i said sange with high level shurikens do give good numbers and dmg out put. happy "kitty" now lol?

[Darwena]

What good number? What for you a good number? Cause honestly 5/5 Hyoton with Futae go between 950-1250 easily and sitgly more in abyssea w/o MAB atma or specific gear beside Iga +2 set. I'm sure I can boost it up easily with few gear, and Tsurara are so cheap to make/buy... Add the fact than Hyoton: San recast is 60 sec w/o fast cast and Futae is 3 min.

In other word, beside RP, Shuriken and Sange can't even catch San spell. Add on that that San spell HAVE utility VS high resistant melee mob and those are usualy weak to magic (ninjustsu). You want good number? build a magic attack set and go with Ninjutsu instead, you wont catch melee but at least, you would do some decent number at lower cost.

Also, the "I pay to play so I can do anything" isn't a good argument to prove you're point.

[vixin]

I / L I K E / TO / S E E / Y O U ' R E / P R O O F

[SpankWustler]

I / L I K E / TO / S E E / Y O U ' R E / P R O O F

Maybe this will help. Well, unless you're asking us all to slough off this filthy flesh and become proof immaculate as we transform into glorious grain alcohol. Sucks that I can't do the latter, it sounds like more fun.

Anyway, moving on.

The "excess delay" of ranged attacks is noted here. It is also noted here although not in as straightforward a style.

This is relatively old information so the actual testing may well be in places that no longer exist, otherwise I'd try to dig it up because I'm just that bored.

Wish used the formulas for ranged and melee delay to figure out the "value" of a "super-duper" imaginary Relic Shuriken mentioned by the Development Bros in this very topic.

[vixin]

Maybe this will help. Well, unless you're asking us all to slough off this filthy flesh and become proof immaculate as we transform into glorious grain alcohol[/URL].

look up local AA metting if you need help
U Mad Bro ?

[Nala]

Holy crap you F'n retarded throwing fanatics, the more you argue for the viability of throwing the more you pump SE's head full of it being fine as is and thus screw yourselves.

You want to go waste gil being sub par fine that's your prerogative, however all you keep doing is polluting the thread with misinformation that could be detrimental to other players, demanding math that has already been provided, and got all around butt hurt because you know you're wrong.

Give up and get out.

[Bulrogg]

Wow. Lots of blah blah blah.

Recap: No one is arguing math. No one is saying Throwing is uber. What is being said is that some ninjas choose to use it. It is also being said that there is an interest to see it updated in hopes SE can make it useful again. But isn't that pretty much what is going on in every thread regarding updates/adjustments? So why doesn't everyone just give up and get out; in fact let SE close the forums and just go back to adjusting what they like and let us be happy with what they give us, or not.


--nice tags btw; if only I was clever enough to have thought of using them as an insult first, because that's never been done before. but seriously Joe Musashi would have been a better tag than Naruto.

[vixin]

i support Bulrogg on that comment all the way /raise fist "we love you" :]

[SpankWustler]

Recap: No one is arguing math.

This is true. Except, sadly, one guy. A guy who works for SE. In fact, Wish's really freaking long post about math and shuriken damage under ideal conditions was in response to that rather than anything another player posted.

It's really sad, actually.

This whole topic is basically "I don't enjoy this because it doesn't perform well." or "I enjoy this in spite of it's lacluster performance, which isn't that bad." or "I might enjoy this if it performed better." or "Don't do this whether you enjoy it or not; it performs very badly and your group has to abide by your actions."

The response from the Development Bros? "This is how a super-duper Relic Shuriken we will never make would perform," and it turns out even the shuriken of their dreams would be very disappointing. Similar to the man or woman of one's dreams in real life, which is the awful thing that I play videogames to escape!

No wonder this topic went to a dark and unhappy place after that.