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    Quote Originally Posted by Randnum View Post
    Also in your tests you have made three notable 'adjustable' errors, which bring it closer.
    Ranged fSTR is the only error I possibly made, and considering I counted meleeing as 0 fSTR, and gave throwing +19 as well as capped pDIF (3) compared to meleeings 2 and didn't even count aftermath on Kannagi, and counted 90 Kannagi and 99 magian elemental damage katanas as your weapons instead of 99 Kannagi..... I don't find that to be unrealistic at all. I counted using 2x 52.5 base damage weapon with 205.5 delay, and compared this to the DEVs "relic" throwing item which is double the base damage of what you're actually going to be using while throwing... after understanding this you can see your argument has no legs to stand on. The only thing that could even be considered sort of difficult to get that I used was Thaumas body, but then anyone who is any good at this game can do neo-nyzul and get it. If you can't, maybe you should heed what I say more than you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randnum View Post
    You're still right in terms of what you meant to prove, you just proved it under conditions you consider to be 'standard' when they are in fact 'optimal' on one side, and despite your noted and appreciated attempts to make them optimal on the other side too, not quite so.
    I consider what I used to point out throwing is garbage as gimp, maybe its superamazingawesomesauce to you, but to me, its gimp.

    If you want a real comparison to how horrible throwing really is, I can compare it to my WAR that has the absolute best gear possible, instead of to the meleeing damage potential of one of the worst jobs in the game, i.e. ninja.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randnum View Post
    This post is more for other people so they know you didn't actually prove 'melee always wins' you proved 'absolute best melee always wins'. Some people don't have that yet, and some people don't have time for it or aren't aiming for it.
    I proved STANDARD melee set for any competent NIN does more than DOUBLE the damage the best throwing NIN can do with a "relic shuriken."

    So really, why are you talking about how I'm wrong instead of doing the math yourself and SHOWING that I'm wrong? I gave you all the knowledge you need to do the math yourself, do it, post it, prove me wrong or don't say I'm wrong, because you don't know.

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    You messed up your link, it should be:
    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/261001
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    Last edited by wish12oz; 05-28-2012 at 02:45 PM.

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