[dev1107] Sange Update - Why?

[Bulrogg]

Wow. Lots of blah blah blah.

Recap: No one is arguing math. No one is saying Throwing is uber. What is being said is that some ninjas choose to use it. It is also being said that there is an interest to see it updated in hopes SE can make it useful again. But isn't that pretty much what is going on in every thread regarding updates/adjustments? So why doesn't everyone just give up and get out; in fact let SE close the forums and just go back to adjusting what they like and let us be happy with what they give us, or not.


--nice tags btw; if only I was clever enough to have thought of using them as an insult first, because that's never been done before. but seriously Joe Musashi would have been a better tag than Naruto.

[SpankWustler]

Recap: No one is arguing math.

This is true. Except, sadly, one guy. A guy who works for SE. In fact, Wish's really freaking long post about math and shuriken damage under ideal conditions was in response to that rather than anything another player posted.

It's really sad, actually.

This whole topic is basically "I don't enjoy this because it doesn't perform well." or "I enjoy this in spite of it's lacluster performance, which isn't that bad." or "I might enjoy this if it performed better." or "Don't do this whether you enjoy it or not; it performs very badly and your group has to abide by your actions."

The response from the Development Bros? "This is how a super-duper Relic Shuriken we will never make would perform," and it turns out even the shuriken of their dreams would be very disappointing. Similar to the man or woman of one's dreams in real life, which is the awful thing that I play videogames to escape!

No wonder this topic went to a dark and unhappy place after that.

[wish12oz]

Wow. Lots of blah blah blah.

Recap: No one is arguing math. No one is saying Throwing is uber. What is being said is that some ninjas choose to use it.

i said sange with high level shurikens do give good numbers and dmg out put.

People are arguing that throwing is good. Now stop saying they aren't.
As for Vixin, can you prove it's useful? Show me the math behind why it gives 'good numbers and dmg out put.' And then compare that to meleeing. After you manage to do that please present your findings, until then, go away because you have added nothing of value to this thread. As you yourself put it:

I / L I K E / TO / S E E / Y O U ' R E / P R O O F

I've already shown why throwing is terrible, please enlighten us as to how sange is useful.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post309446

EDIT::
Seriously, everything you need to know to do the math is in the post I linked, except 1 thing, whenever you use a job ability there's a 2 second delay where meleeing stops. You have to combine this delay with the normal throwing delay that occurs to determine time required to use sange.