[dev1107] Sange Update - Why?

[vixin]

Wish is still more credible to me than some slack-jawed twit who repeatedly says the same crap and provides 0 Evidence or even situations where his logic would be remotely correct. This is hypothetical of course and not directed at any 1 single poster.

Too mean? Maybe, But in a world like FFXI, its incredibly baffling some people would think throwing can be useful for NIN. Math is very strong proof, Its not just something people use to look smart or elitist despite the common rabbles attitude toward educating themselves.

I think i said this in the last Throwing thread... What it comes down too is, If you enjoy throwing on NIN? Goood for you, Go enjoy throwing, Merit sange, and Toss some Shuriken, I'm not here to judge you. But accept its terrible and useless.

The problems come from those trying to say its useful, and spreading disinformation to any NIN who would come into this thread and read that tripe. Spreading lies with no proof or evidence to support your claims and not even being able to name a single situation where Throwing would increase a NIN's Melee output is a plain waste of time and just rude to anyone coming here for real information.

At least if they accepted the fact Throwing was absolute horse-sh*t maybe it would get a meaningful update. Shoving your head in the sand and telling everyone Throwing is awesome is only hurting them more in the end. I mean, SE Thinks a D:120 Shuriken (Or w/e) is so broken it'd be akin to some Relic Shuriken, they obviously have absolutely no clue how useless their little ninja stars really are.

Which is scary considering they're the ones who made the game and have to know how Dual wield works and how throwing is completely screwed by the attack delay during and after use.

you are in no position to say who is wrong or right everyone pays to play remember that your not above anyone

[wish12oz]

you are in no position to say who is wrong or right everyone pays to play remember that your not above anyone

And here we see the flawed basis of your entire argument. To you, it's your $12.95 and you can play however you want to. Which is entirely true, and we don't care how you play the game, that isn't something that concerns us. Our problem is the outright lies you spread when you say throwing is useful. I posted MATH that proves beyond a doubt throwing is garbage and should not be used for damage, and isn't useful for anything else either. I even went so far as to explain in great detail every single thing I did to make it very easy for anyone to understand if they read it two or three times. This is a statement of fact, and just how it is. It has nothing to do with how you play the game, its just math proving throwing isn't useful. If you want to go ahead and use it anyway, that's fine, it's not negatively impacting me in any way. I only care when you come around and start saying throwing is good, because I can prove it's not good, and you have nothing to refute that argument, so stop trying to.

EDIT:::
So in conclusion, when something comes down to math, and only math, it's easy to tell who is right or wrong. I did that math and posted it. Anyone who reads it and understands it now has every right to tell you that you're wrong, not just Karbuncle, when you come around and start saying throwing is useful. If you want to do math that opposes my findings, go right ahead, I would love to see. But until then, you have to accept that my answer is the right answer, or you need to look at my math and correct any mistakes I may have made and post the new answer, those are the only options available to you at this time.

EDIT#2:::
Just to make this even more simple.
Here's how everyone against you see's the argument in this thread.

We're saying 2+2=4, and you're screaming that it's 5 because you pay money to play this game and you want it to be 5. No matter how much money you pay, you can never change the fact that the answer is 4. No matter how much you desperately want it to be 5, it will never be 5, and anyone who understands the answer is 4 has the right to tell you it's not 5.

[Karbuncle]

you are in no position to say who is wrong or right everyone pays to play remember that your not above anyone

Did you even read the third paragraph? I'm assuming not, Reading is hard, just like Booklearnin and Math right? Maybe i shoulda put more pictures of cats to keep those with short attention spans reading...

I said, If you enjoy playing NIN Throwing Shuriken? wonderful, Go Naruto It up all you want, You can play the game however you want, in fact, I advocate on more than one occasion that the game is suppose to be about fun. But heres the kicker, "Playing how i want" ends when you spew your misinformation on a public forum. You can't claim "I do it for fun" when you come parading around about how awesome it is, provide no proof to your claim, and continue to try and ignore any amount of evidence shown to refute your claims that Throwing is useful.

You can go RPShuriken all you want, But posting how good it is when its actually really awful, on a forum where a lot of new users would probably go first, is detrimental to the playerbase. They should know if they want to be a good NIN, throwing has 0 place, Its something fun you can do on the side, But in no ways helps the job in a meaningful positive way.

I don't have any cat pictures, so hopefully you read past the first paragraph this time.

[vixin]

Did you even read the third paragraph? I'm assuming not, Reading is hard, just like Booklearnin and Math right? Maybe i shoulda put more pictures of cats to keep those with short attention spans reading...

I said, If you enjoy playing NIN Throwing Shuriken? wonderful, Go Naruto It up all you want, You can play the game however you want, in fact, I advocate on more than one occasion that the game is suppose to be about fun. But heres the kicker, "Playing how i want" ends when you spew your misinformation on a public forum. You can't claim "I do it for fun" when you come parading around about how awesome it is, provide no proof to your claim, and continue to try and ignore any amount of evidence shown to refute your claims that Throwing is useful.

You can go RPShuriken all you want, But posting how good it is when its actually really awful, on a forum where a lot of new users would probably go first, is detrimental to the playerbase. They should know if they want to be a good NIN, throwing has 0 place, Its something fun you can do on the side, But in no ways helps the job in a meaningful positive way.

I don't have any cat pictures, so hopefully you read past the first paragraph this time.

good for you and dont quote anyone if your going to be a lazy ass, i never said shurikens out dmg dual weild i said sange with high level shurikens do give good numbers and dmg out put. happy "kitty" now lol?

[Darwena]

What good number? What for you a good number? Cause honestly 5/5 Hyoton with Futae go between 950-1250 easily and sitgly more in abyssea w/o MAB atma or specific gear beside Iga +2 set. I'm sure I can boost it up easily with few gear, and Tsurara are so cheap to make/buy... Add the fact than Hyoton: San recast is 60 sec w/o fast cast and Futae is 3 min.

In other word, beside RP, Shuriken and Sange can't even catch San spell. Add on that that San spell HAVE utility VS high resistant melee mob and those are usualy weak to magic (ninjustsu). You want good number? build a magic attack set and go with Ninjutsu instead, you wont catch melee but at least, you would do some decent number at lower cost.

Also, the "I pay to play so I can do anything" isn't a good argument to prove you're point.