[dev1107] Sange Update - Why?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

They reply to every post I make claiming throwing is useful, and offer no proof whatsoever, so ya, I do need to respond to them.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post309446
How they can look at this and think throwing is useful is just beyond me though. It takes an extra special form of headinthesand to be able to do that.

Then are you not just banging your head against a brick wall?

[Bulrogg]

problematic-ninjas are problematic: "we're not for it, so we will bash every post you make and ignore your replies unless we can twist it and multi-quote it to our advantage"

These forums are for feedback and suggestions, that's what we are trying to do. I just dislike that in order for the Reps/Devs to see these feedback/suggestions they have to weed through all those negative, and in most cases purely problematic post, only because some chose not to use a tactic available to the job.

[wish12oz]

Then are you not just banging your head against a brick wall?

I am, but it's fun to bang your head into a wall sometimes, especially when you're right.

I just dislike that in order for the Reps/Devs to see these feedback/suggestions they have to weed through all those negative, and in most cases purely problematic post.

Then quit posting and the DEVs won't have to read your trash. Or better yet, make useful posts instead of constantly making assertions with no proof. I provided proof throwing is garbage and refuted every single claim that throwing was useful by proving with math (what this game revolves around) that throwing was not useful. Why don't you provide some proof throwing is useful, and we can have a real discussion, since that's what you seem to want so badly.

"we're not for it, so we will bash every post you make and ignore your replies unless we can twist it and multi-quote it to our advantage"

Since you're all for not ignoring stuff I post, which you do all the time.

You have yet to name ONE instance where throwing is AT ALL useful. You just stand on your high horse and claim it is, but have yet to offer ANY proof.

Why don't you name 1 instance where throwing is useful? You've never done this.

[Bulrogg]

Your questions have been answered before, it is not my fault that you clearly have a problem with reading comprehension. You just skip over the posts you can't twist around and ignore them. It is not for me to repost what you clearly didn't fully read the first time in your attempt to bash and belittle us with your insults. This leads me to wonder if you suffer from some sort of selective mutism or are just over all hard-headed. Wait, I know the answer to that since you already said that you enjoy banging your head against a wall... all that banging has even made you delusional to think that you are correct and that your feedback and suggestions take precedent over anyone else in cases where you disagree.


We're here to make suggestions and offer feed back, not to make problematic post and discourage other members from posting which you clearly are.

Have fun with your frothing rebuttal so you can have the last word, we're off to see The Avengers.

--and cheers to SE for updating Sange!!

[wish12oz]

Have fun with your frothing rebuttal so you can have the last word, we're off to see The Avengers.

Welcome to yesterday. (Last week in the EU)

Now if we could just get your ninja to 7 years ago so you'd know throwing was bad, and get you to read what people post, so you'd know nothing was ever posted proving throwing to ever be useful for anything, we'd be set.

EDIT:: You should not hide your FFXIAH info too, that way everyone can see the quality of your ninja and judge your comments for what they are, from someone who is bad at FFXI.

[vixin]

i think you lost all credibality Wish12 you have distasteful sportsmen ship.

[SpankWustler]

you have distasteful sportsmen ship

I agree the colors are a bit garish, and I'm not sure why the only pools are wave-pools, but I don't think Wish owns one of these.

[Karbuncle]

i think you lost all credibality Wish12 you have distasteful sportsmen ship.

Wish is still more credible to me than some slack-jawed twit who repeatedly says the same crap and provides 0 Evidence or even situations where his logic would be remotely correct. This is hypothetical of course and not directed at any 1 single poster.

Too mean? Maybe, But in a world like FFXI, its incredibly baffling some people would think throwing can be useful for NIN. Math is very strong proof, Its not just something people use to look smart or elitist despite the common rabbles attitude toward educating themselves.

I think i said this in the last Throwing thread... What it comes down too is, If you enjoy throwing on NIN? Goood for you, Go enjoy throwing, Merit sange, and Toss some Shuriken, I'm not here to judge you. But accept its terrible and useless.

The problems come from those trying to say its useful, and spreading disinformation to any NIN who would come into this thread and read that tripe. Spreading lies with no proof or evidence to support your claims and not even being able to name a single situation where Throwing would increase a NIN's Melee output is a plain waste of time and just rude to anyone coming here for real information.

At least if they accepted the fact Throwing was absolute horse-sh*t maybe it would get a meaningful update. Shoving your head in the sand and telling everyone Throwing is awesome is only hurting them more in the end. I mean, SE Thinks a D:120 Shuriken (Or w/e) is so broken it'd be akin to some Relic Shuriken, they obviously have absolutely no clue how useless their little ninja stars really are.

Which is scary considering they're the ones who made the game and have to know how Dual wield works and how throwing is completely screwed by the attack delay during and after use.

[vixin]

Wish is still more credible to me than some slack-jawed twit who repeatedly says the same crap and provides 0 Evidence or even situations where his logic would be remotely correct. This is hypothetical of course and not directed at any 1 single poster.

Too mean? Maybe, But in a world like FFXI, its incredibly baffling some people would think throwing can be useful for NIN. Math is very strong proof, Its not just something people use to look smart or elitist despite the common rabbles attitude toward educating themselves.

I think i said this in the last Throwing thread... What it comes down too is, If you enjoy throwing on NIN? Goood for you, Go enjoy throwing, Merit sange, and Toss some Shuriken, I'm not here to judge you. But accept its terrible and useless.

The problems come from those trying to say its useful, and spreading disinformation to any NIN who would come into this thread and read that tripe. Spreading lies with no proof or evidence to support your claims and not even being able to name a single situation where Throwing would increase a NIN's Melee output is a plain waste of time and just rude to anyone coming here for real information.

At least if they accepted the fact Throwing was absolute horse-sh*t maybe it would get a meaningful update. Shoving your head in the sand and telling everyone Throwing is awesome is only hurting them more in the end. I mean, SE Thinks a D:120 Shuriken (Or w/e) is so broken it'd be akin to some Relic Shuriken, they obviously have absolutely no clue how useless their little ninja stars really are.

Which is scary considering they're the ones who made the game and have to know how Dual wield works and how throwing is completely screwed by the attack delay during and after use.

you are in no position to say who is wrong or right everyone pays to play remember that your not above anyone

[wish12oz]

you are in no position to say who is wrong or right everyone pays to play remember that your not above anyone

And here we see the flawed basis of your entire argument. To you, it's your $12.95 and you can play however you want to. Which is entirely true, and we don't care how you play the game, that isn't something that concerns us. Our problem is the outright lies you spread when you say throwing is useful. I posted MATH that proves beyond a doubt throwing is garbage and should not be used for damage, and isn't useful for anything else either. I even went so far as to explain in great detail every single thing I did to make it very easy for anyone to understand if they read it two or three times. This is a statement of fact, and just how it is. It has nothing to do with how you play the game, its just math proving throwing isn't useful. If you want to go ahead and use it anyway, that's fine, it's not negatively impacting me in any way. I only care when you come around and start saying throwing is good, because I can prove it's not good, and you have nothing to refute that argument, so stop trying to.

EDIT:::
So in conclusion, when something comes down to math, and only math, it's easy to tell who is right or wrong. I did that math and posted it. Anyone who reads it and understands it now has every right to tell you that you're wrong, not just Karbuncle, when you come around and start saying throwing is useful. If you want to do math that opposes my findings, go right ahead, I would love to see. But until then, you have to accept that my answer is the right answer, or you need to look at my math and correct any mistakes I may have made and post the new answer, those are the only options available to you at this time.

EDIT#2:::
Just to make this even more simple.
Here's how everyone against you see's the argument in this thread.

We're saying 2+2=4, and you're screaming that it's 5 because you pay money to play this game and you want it to be 5. No matter how much money you pay, you can never change the fact that the answer is 4. No matter how much you desperately want it to be 5, it will never be 5, and anyone who understands the answer is 4 has the right to tell you it's not 5.