[dev1107] Sange Update - Why?

[wish12oz]

I remember DI, more specifically I remember claiming it by hitting it with stygian ash on my warrior, without any ranged accuracy gear and about 100 skill, and doing it around 20 times and never missing. You didn't need throwing skilled up or gear to hit DI with an ash at 75, there's no way you do now. On top of that DI as of right now is completely useless, hitting sky gods with winds is also useless. Neither of these things matters and neither proves throwing is at all useful, especially since the smart thing to do with both of them is to have a RNG use unlimited shot and throw the ash/wind so you didn't lose it, and we're talking about NIN. So you have now managed to prove if you want to fight DI a RNG should have a stygian ash, please give one example of when throwing is actually useful now, and if possible, could you try to make it be something a NIN should be doing instead of a RNG?

nice mile long post 12oz but one thing, You are Wrong remember that kido.

It's funny how your only response to me is "you're wrong." That statement needs more to it though, if I was actually wrong about anything so far you would say "You're wrong because ......................" and continue from there with a well thought out explanation of why I'm wrong. Because you have not done this, you have no credibility with your statement. I suggest you elaborate on this topic and explain what I am wrong about, and why I am wrong about it.

EDIT::::

he asked when was throwing ever useful

I asked for an example of when throwing is useful right now. Not when it use to be useful, or when it could theoretically be useful in the future.

EDIT2::::
You guys that love throwing so much are aware that by claiming throwing is at all useful right now, you're only hurting yourselves right? I could care less if throwing is made good, but you obviously want it to be good. Saying its useful now and trying to convince the DEVs of that will not get you throwing updated in a way to make it good, you'll only get a slightly better outcome than you have now, and it will still be useless and you'll still be ridiculed for being throwing ninjas. Saying it's good/useful is not what you want to be doing. Just take the hit, admit you know throwing is horrible, and you only use it because you think it's fun to RP Naruto, and we can all move on and maybe you'll get the update you so desperately want.

[Darwena]

I would add... WTF Sange will do with claiming Dark Ixion, since the OP talk about Sange? Oh right, he asked for "when throwing is usefull". Kinda sad the only purpose Naruto fans had to offer is "claiming a NM when any job can do it" and "getting aggro when you don't have /WAR to voke"...

Edit: No disrespect Naruto fans. Myself I read that manga.

[Nala]

Bleh sad part is i've been a fan of naruto since ages before it hit america, it has never compelled me to want to use throwing on ninja, further more the american dub is trash not that i even watch the anime anymore filler pisses me off too much. (i read the mangas)

Edit: you @#$% throwing fantatics stay on nin specific threads

This is a RANGER thread

either way any delay adjustments should effect any ranged attack.

[Bulrogg]

I was a fan of Final Fantasy years before I new about Naruto but I still find it hilarious that some think calling people Naruto fans will insult them. Wouldn't a Joe Musashi dig be more in-line? After all Shinobi was the game I remember being shuriken laden.

I would assume any ranged attack delay adjustment would cover any ranged attack. But I also assume SE can do whatever they like, if they leave Ninja and Throwing out, that's their call.

At any rate, I too am trying to--

get a good conversation going on the matter; perhaps they will take our suggestions on board... or at least respond.

-- about Ranged attack delay.

I had some ponderings about it in the other thread but I thought they where more Gun/Bow oriented.

[vixin]

Provoke does the same thing, and doesn't require extra gear/wasting gil.
Also: play ninja better and this wont happen on the mobs you're actually suppose to be tanking.



I like when you type responses to things, because half of your post makes no sense, and it's fun to pretend to be a detective and try to solve the puzzle of what you're trying to say.

i like how you take intress in my post, i think you found a relationship lol

[saevel]

Hmm thinking about it. How would it be if Shurikens were not consumed on use? As in Ninja always had a 100% unlimited shot effect on throwing? Would make those R and R/EX Shurikens actually useful for something.

[wish12oz]

Hmm thinking about it. How would it be if Shurikens were not consumed on use? As in Ninja always had a 100% unlimited shot effect on throwing? Would make those R and R/EX Shurikens actually useful for something.

Did you seriously just type this and fail to read/understand every post I made in this entire thread proving throwing was trash unless you can use 350+ damage shurikens? Adding unlimited shot to a sub 100 damage throwing star isn't going to fix anything except all the gil the RPs lose playing Naruto.

[Bulrogg]

w12o- while you may have some very useful information, you also have a very rude and snobbish way of presenting it. And yet you question why most posters just ignore it? Perhaps you could improve your presentation, unless your intentions are merely to be problematic.

That being said, it's my opinion SE would never grant 100% unlimited shot. Nor would it really improve throwing. The problem exist with the delay that occurs after ranged attacks. Until SE addresses that throwing is only used by some and even then only in certain situations.

They do have ranged attack delay on the roadmap for autumn this year; well have to see what they come up with then.

[Darwena]

The delay isnt all the problem about it, time to get the weapon out (shuriken) make the throwing motion, get the melee weapon back... All that make too much time. Haste and double attack don't stack either. Now with all the Dual attack, Double attack and haste gear, meleeing still the best option and I would rather improve Dual wield Via merits than Sange.
Sange could be only used in, well, no situation at all... (you didn't prove that Sange is usefull yet, sorry).

I would like Dual Wield Merits instead of sange. If you don't agree Dual wield merits could be more effective than Sange, well, I don't know what to say more with all argument we provided VS pro sange user, who never proved me yet, I should invest Merits in that useless job ability.

[Karbuncle]

w12o- while you may have some very useful information, you also have a very rude and snobbish way of presenting it. And yet you question why most posters just ignore it? Perhaps you could improve your presentation, unless your intentions are merely to be problematic.

That being said, it's my opinion SE would never grant 100% unlimited shot. Nor would it really improve throwing. The problem exist with the delay that occurs after ranged attacks. Until SE addresses that throwing is only used by some and even then only in certain situations.

They do have ranged attack delay on the roadmap for autumn this year; well have to see what they come up with then.

if the ranged attack delays allows you to attack while throwing, It could drastically change NIN, Otherwise it will be ultimately pretty useless still.

And i can relate to Wish, Sometimes being rude is the only way people will listen to you, If you're nice all the time, People will walk all over you. Sucks, but sometimes people only understand force. Sad truths ;|

Oh, and Wish has posted on why Throwing is flawed well over a dozen times across several different NIN Threads and people still don't get how stupid and useless it is because they'd rather stick their head in the sand and ignore math >_>