Dynamis Weakness Trigger Testing

[Brytor]

Unless they make magic on par with ja proc rate, dynamis will favor /dnc and overcrowd the camps during the ja time window.
Keep up the good work sir.

I can see why they did the rates they did from a math stand point:

Compare /DNC:

Violent Flourish 20s = 3 per min and Steps @ 15s = 4 per min to give a total of 7 chace to proc each min

To /NIN and elemental spells and NO HASTE/FASTCAST:

Ichi = 30 second recast 4 second cast for 6 elemental Ninjutse.

Total: 12 per min

Add in Kurayami/Dokumori/Hoji

You've capped out at 15 per min at 4 second cast times if you could instantly cast the next spell. So in a perfect world /NIN has 2x or 100% more chances to stagger in the same time frame.

When you compare to say BRD main with 2 second cast time on Threnody and 24 second recast (NO HASTE/FASTCAST) When you add in Requiem and other BRD spells BRD has basically 30 chances per min to stagger. At a 5% rate a single BRD should on average stagger every 40 seconds.

Now that is in a perfect world with casting as soon as you can and not having to do other stuff. The reality is a bit different. The actual number of spells you can get off and coupled with mages needed to deal with other things and the lower kill speed basically cancels out any advantage they have for hitting the staggers.

[Yinnyth]

When you compare to say BRD main with 2 second cast time on Threnody and 24 second recast (NO HASTE/FASTCAST) When you add in Requiem and other BRD spells BRD has basically 30 chances per min to stagger. At a 5% rate a single BRD should on average stagger every 40 seconds.

I think you're confusing practical and actual casting times. It's rough getting 30 casts per minute even with chainspell or maxed nightingale because of animation delays and the annoying way the game only accepts one command every half second or so. Even spamming the fastest spells and assuming no obligation to any other task, you're probably looking at about 15 casts per minute.

You're also only looking at the DNC's native abilities. Most jobs which go /dnc to dynamis have native JAs of their own they can use which adds to the 7 JAs per minute, war and cor being the 2 best I can think of right now.

There's also a primary difference between JAs and spells: JAs have no casting time. You can do other stuff while waiting for JAs to recharge. You can't do squat while spamming threnodies.

Overall, magic is the most screwed of the 3 proc types right now. To be fair, balancing the procs is a tricky topic though. I'd do it by making it so JAs with a longer recast timer have an increased chance to proc, spells with a longer casting timer have an increased chance to proc, spells matching the day's current element have an increased chance to proc, AoE spells and WSs have a decreased chance to proc on anything besides the main target, WSs with a matching SC alignment to the current day have an increased chance to proc, and make skillchains and magic bursts have a chance to proc any mob. But that's just me rambling again.