Dynamis Weakness Trigger Testing

[Rocinante]

I'm sure others have done more extensive testing, but while I'm farming I figure why not log down my success (or lack thereof) in triggering weaknesses. I really, really don't want to level Dancer for its admittedly stellar farming ability here, so I have a particular interest in triggering weakness via magic. I also doubt how robust the bg wiki's percentages are for triggers, or even whether it is complete in scope. For now though, I am assuming most of its information is correct, such as what time of day each monster is weak to magic.

So anyway, here's the results of my first day of recording, it will probably take a dozen or so runs before I'm comfortable with saying, "yeah, that's the percentage".

Day 1
bst/nin, Easy Prey funguar/manticore in Dynamis Valkurm
Full Moon 93% - 95%

212 ninjutsu casts
daytime - Manticores - 8 triggers
evening - Funguar - 4 triggers
midnight - didn't bother switching to sabotender, heh
daytime - Manticore - 6 triggers

Trigger 8.4%


Edit:
Current estimates at average rate to trigger weakness
Magic: 6.4% (208/3261)
Job Ability: 25.6% (428/1673)
Weaponskill: N/A - I dont have a job to test effectively

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Day 2 (didn't test much, was mainly a run for the mega-boss with a little farming after)
bst/nin, Easy Prey Hippogryph/Manticore in Dynamis Valkurm
Waning Crescent 38%

118 casts
midnight - Hippogryph - 6 triggers
daytime - Manticore - 6 triggers

Trigger rate: 10.2%



Day 3 (also didn't test much, was just killing orcs for AF, and not many caster types)
bst/nin, Easy Prey Orc in Dynamis Buburimu
Waxing Crescent 29% - 33%

100 ninjutsu casts
6 triggers

Trigger rate 6%

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Day 4
bst/nin, Easy Prey Goblin in Dynamis Qufim (so few casters ; ; grr)
Waxing Crescent 79% - 81%

67 ninjutsu casts
10 triggers

Trigger rate 14.9%

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Day 5
bst/nin, Easy Prey Goblin in Dynamis Qufim
Waning Gibbous 81% - 76%

265 ninjutsu casts
9 triggers

Trigger rate 3.4%

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Day 6
bst/nin, Dynamis Buburimu
Waning Crescent 21% - 14%

211 ninjutsu casts
Orc - 8 triggers (finally got both AF I needed from orc, yay)
daytime - Crab - 4 triggers
evening - Crow - 8 triggers

Trigger rate 9.5%

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Day 7
bst/nin, Easy Prey Orc in Dynamis Beaucedine
Full Moon 90% - 95%

197 ninjutsu casts
8 Triggers

Trigger rate 4.1%

This one was anomalous, one of the summoners endured ~60 spells without triggering, so I eventually just killed it. I was the only person farming there, and while I had the summoner orcs in view most of the time, I can't guarantee that someone didn't come in and trigger it themselves then immediately die.

[Goliathreborn]

Unless they make magic on par with ja proc rate, dynamis will favor /dnc and overcrowd the camps during the ja time window.
Keep up the good work sir.

[Brytor]

Unless they make magic on par with ja proc rate, dynamis will favor /dnc and overcrowd the camps during the ja time window.
Keep up the good work sir.

I can see why they did the rates they did from a math stand point:

Compare /DNC:

Violent Flourish 20s = 3 per min and Steps @ 15s = 4 per min to give a total of 7 chace to proc each min

To /NIN and elemental spells and NO HASTE/FASTCAST:

Ichi = 30 second recast 4 second cast for 6 elemental Ninjutse.

Total: 12 per min

Add in Kurayami/Dokumori/Hoji

You've capped out at 15 per min at 4 second cast times if you could instantly cast the next spell. So in a perfect world /NIN has 2x or 100% more chances to stagger in the same time frame.

When you compare to say BRD main with 2 second cast time on Threnody and 24 second recast (NO HASTE/FASTCAST) When you add in Requiem and other BRD spells BRD has basically 30 chances per min to stagger. At a 5% rate a single BRD should on average stagger every 40 seconds.

Now that is in a perfect world with casting as soon as you can and not having to do other stuff. The reality is a bit different. The actual number of spells you can get off and coupled with mages needed to deal with other things and the lower kill speed basically cancels out any advantage they have for hitting the staggers.

[Yinnyth]

When you compare to say BRD main with 2 second cast time on Threnody and 24 second recast (NO HASTE/FASTCAST) When you add in Requiem and other BRD spells BRD has basically 30 chances per min to stagger. At a 5% rate a single BRD should on average stagger every 40 seconds.

I think you're confusing practical and actual casting times. It's rough getting 30 casts per minute even with chainspell or maxed nightingale because of animation delays and the annoying way the game only accepts one command every half second or so. Even spamming the fastest spells and assuming no obligation to any other task, you're probably looking at about 15 casts per minute.

You're also only looking at the DNC's native abilities. Most jobs which go /dnc to dynamis have native JAs of their own they can use which adds to the 7 JAs per minute, war and cor being the 2 best I can think of right now.

There's also a primary difference between JAs and spells: JAs have no casting time. You can do other stuff while waiting for JAs to recharge. You can't do squat while spamming threnodies.

Overall, magic is the most screwed of the 3 proc types right now. To be fair, balancing the procs is a tricky topic though. I'd do it by making it so JAs with a longer recast timer have an increased chance to proc, spells with a longer casting timer have an increased chance to proc, spells matching the day's current element have an increased chance to proc, AoE spells and WSs have a decreased chance to proc on anything besides the main target, WSs with a matching SC alignment to the current day have an increased chance to proc, and make skillchains and magic bursts have a chance to proc any mob. But that's just me rambling again.

[Rocinante]

Yeah it's extremely unbalanced towards dancer, not sure why the rates are so different. Based on how it works, I would think job ability triggers should be a lesser rate than magic - because you're either consuming tools, or spending finite amount of mp - meanwhile job abilities are free and never require you to rest. So job abilities get the best of both worlds, high trigger rate as well as infinitely available. And with dancer the only job (that I know of, at least) with multiple <60 second job abilities, makes it so useful here. Plus all the self heals, haste, stuns, and other useful things!

After I get about 12-14 runs worth of data, I'm just going to join the bandwagon and use /dnc until it gets nerfed or whatever.

Anyway!
Day 8
bst/nin Easy Prey Demon in Dynamis Xarcabard
Last Quarter Moon 45% - 43%

330 ninjutsu casts
18 triggers

Trigger rate 5.5%