Dancer tank gear? Help Me Out!

[Rieul]

As far as gear to tank in, keep the DMG up and Violent Flourish as needed, it really won't matter what you wear in abyssea.
Outside abyssea? Most mobs cower in fear of you at 90.
Put on a SH and any subligar (the pastier the better).

Mmk. My merits in DNC:
Step acc x3
Reverse Flourish x5
Building Flourish x2
Saber Dance x1
Fan Dance x1
No Foot Rise x5
Closed Position x3
Lemme 'splain something. No Foot Rise is not a waste of merits IF used properly.
Say you have 100%TP and 5x steps stored. One might think 'that's too bad'. However… you can Building flourish that and then Striking or Climatic flourish it (depending on where you are/mob/etc), after that you have about 8 seconds to wait for Reverse Flourish and about 54 seconds to WS with a Building boost. So wait about 5 seconds then PK ===> Reverse Flourish ===> Evis (don't ask why PK 1st or I will cry) = happy DNC darkness time.
Some might agree, some might not. Personally I don't give a damn, I just can't stand people being closed minded to different ways about doing things.

[Jesterking]

Mmk. My merits in DNC:
Step acc x3
Reverse Flourish x5
Building Flourish x2

Lack of Haste Samba merits makes me cry. Or more so, the fact you have Step Accuracy merits. Regular Accuracy gear is the same as Step Accuracy. Unnecessary merits. I've said it before, you shouldn't have problems hitting things at this stage in the game. Plus, Presto gives a huge accuracy bonus to steps anyways.

I get that you want to play different, but that's just a waste. Haste Samba will increase your damage dealt, as well as everyone else benefiting from the samba. And with the set bonus from AF3+2 you'll most likely, and should have a Samba up always.

[Rieul]

Lack of Haste Samba merits makes me cry. Or more so, the fact you have Step Accuracy merits. Regular Accuracy gear is the same as Step Accuracy. Unnecessary merits. I've said it before, you shouldn't have problems hitting things at this stage in the game. Plus, Presto gives a huge accuracy bonus to steps anyways.

I get that you want to play different, but that's just a waste. Haste Samba will increase your damage dealt, as well as everyone else benefiting from the samba. And with the set bonus from AF3+2 you'll most likely, and should have a Samba up always.

I see why you said what said. (Feel free to skip to the last sentence)
Haste Samba Merits only affect Haste.
I chose against HS due to the fact that there is Drain and Aspir Samba. You may want to maxxxor out your hastorz or whatever but I wanted something that was practical in all situations.
When you use Drain Samba or Aspir Samba, don't you feel like you wasted those merits? Perhaps not.

No, Step acc is not a waste imo; I solo a lot of NM and whatnot inside and out of abyseea.
Outside at 90, sure it's overkill but then I can put more focus into ATK, DEX or even CHR.
The last thing you want is to miss a step as DNC.

Again, take it or leave it. To each their own.

[Kaeoni]

No, Step acc is not a waste imo; I solo a lot of NM and whatnot inside and out of abyseea.
Outside at 90, sure it's overkill but then I can put more focus into ATK, DEX or even CHR.
The last thing you want is to miss a step as DNC.

You make it sound like you want to stack more atk dex and chr on your steps. Steps don't do any damage. I'm confused, could you clarify?

Though dancer can now cap -Delay without haste samba entirely, i just figured that was your reason. I keep it around for other people honestly~

[Frost]

You make it sound like you want to stack more atk dex and chr on your steps. Steps don't do any damage. I'm confused, could you clarify?

Though dancer can now cap -Delay without haste samba entirely, i just figured that was your reason. I keep it around for other people honestly~

What? Can you spell that out for me?

[Byrth]

What? Can you spell that out for me?

2x Marches with AF3+2 hands = 23.5% Haste
Haste = 15% Haste
Gear = 25% Haste

.2/(1-.235-.15-.25) = .55

So we need 45% Dual Wield to cap delay without Haste Samba. Fortunately we have access to 30% from traits and 18% from gear, so we can.

Drain Samba and Aspir Samba are a waste of time and TP though, so you're better off using Haste Samba still and either dropping gear Haste or Dual Wield back.

To clarify the sentiment of my post:
Only failures don't merit Haste Samba.

[Kaeoni]

What? Can you spell that out for me?

T h o u g h
D a n c e r
c a n
n o w
c a p
- d e l a y
w i t h o u t
h a s t e
s a m b a
e n t i r e l y

Not without buffs from others naturally, this applies with the vast majority of other jobs. This is primarily the reason dancers are no longer visited as a party member as they once were. We don't actually make anyone hit any faster with marches and haste in effect. No longer a difference maker. If you lack haste or march or both, Haste samba regains its value.

Let me break it down for you:

Haste gained from Equipment (including Catastrophe) caps at 25%. Haste gained from magical effects (spells/songs) caps at ~43.75%. Haste gained from Job Abilities officially caps at 25%. (Job Ability Haste does not affect spell recast timers.) Recast time reduction is capped at 50%, regardless of how much Haste the character currently has. Haste caps out at ~80%, combined from all sources.

Haste =15%
Gear haste =25%
Dual marches = 40%

hope none of you failed at math because the cap is 80% and thats right on the money.

In case no one knows, Haste Samba falls under the job ability category along with JA's like Hasso

I hope i spelled that out good enough for you

(DW not included)

Edit: oh someone half beat me to it =/ afk

[Alkalinehoe]

Haste =15%
Gear haste =25%
Dual marches = 40%

Where are you pulling this extra 15% out off?
I hope you know Haste (spell) and March (spell) are both counted as magic haste, so with both you'd hit 38.5% haste, (43.75% if you SV).

You aren't capping -Delay Reduction without a lot of DW gear on (assuming No haste Samba like you said).

And I don't understand your reasoning, DNCs still make the vast majority of DDs hit faster. If you're in a party with other DDs being expected to give Haste Samba, you're contributing greatly. Must I find the haste thread? going from 63% haste to 73% is a pretty big deal. And if you happen to have 1 handers you're giving HS too, tell them to take off some of their DW gear to compensate. Haste>DW.

No one should be capping JA haste by themselves anyways, unless they are a DRK and only for 30 seconds out of 4 minutesish.

[Rieul]

You make it sound like you want to stack more atk dex and chr on your steps. Steps don't do any damage. I'm confused, could you clarify?

No, they don't directly, however I still utilize Box Step and Feather Step is nice too.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, they don't directly, however I still utilize Box Step and Feather Step is nice too.

Speaking of steps. What's with this step cap bull? Why did they have to make it that if I use a step that is already reached 5, it only grants 1 finishing move instead of 2?