NIN combinations

[wish12oz]

Viewing the choice of subjob in terms of DD potential is irrelevant to this thread. People saying "/war only" are quite outdated or just not intelligent. sure, nin/war is the best option for DD and tanking, but honestly, if you want to DD or tank then dont use nin. sam mnk drk war are all better jobs at both damage and several jobs can tank better for 90% of the content out there. who has ever seen a nin tank or nin DD in voidwatch? nin will die from aoe as fast as any other job, and you'll never see a nin outparse the 2hander jobs. nins are basically a mage in VW, and that should tell you everything about nin/war combo in today's FFXI.

It's only a backline mage crap job if you resign it to be. A good ninja can and will out perform someone who is terrible but on a "superior job." I do it all the time when I play NIN in VW, even though I usually avoid it. And damage potential is all that matters to this thread, because that's basically all NIN has. It's a DD with slightly higher survivability than others due to shadows. That's it.

I personally use nin/dnc as much as anything. nin/dnc is what you would use in dynamis farming, and its probably the best soloing combo. violent flourish is also a very useful stun capability that i make use of in all sorts of fights.

It's nice you like to waste your time in dynamis every day not getting as much money as people playing BST or THF or something else good, but you probably shouldn't try to brag about it.

other fun subs would be /sch, /rdm or /blu. sch sj is always interesting because you can use arts to bump up your magic skills, allowing for use of sleep etc. nevertheless, all these mage subs are just fun and not useful in any group events.

Sleep spells: Totally more useful than evasion gear, PDT gear and being smart enough to not aggro more mobs than you can handle.

You really shouldn't feed them.

I know, I should really stop replying to these people, but I keep thinking to myself "What if someone who doesn't know any better comes in here and see's this?" I at least should try and put the correct information out there.

This is an opinion. There are other subs and different ways to play NIN other than just pure damage. Just because it is how you play doesn't mean everyone has too.

The only reason to play ninja is for slightly higher survivability in some aspects while still keeping damage potential high, for weak content. The only other reason to be on it is for procs in VW, in which case you should still be trying to do your best to make sure the monster dies.

People do solo things without "mage/friend/mules". You know that right? You've said "Just bring a mage" at least three times now. That's not always possible or always needed. If you have a mule, good for you. Not everyone does. But then I guess we're "doin it wrong", huh?

I'm sorry you can't make friends in an MMO.

Again, there are other ways to play NIN rather than just melee DD. And there are situations where its useful. Hell, its even kind of fun to use other aspects of a job rather than just one. NIN used to be a very versatile job that could do a lot, but I guess now all it is is DD.

There was never any way to play NIN other than as a DD, except for the very, very short period of time nin/drk was a better tank than pld/nin. Your magic damage is terrible, you don't have refresh, you can't cure, what the heck else are you going to do?

Again, not everyone has RDM. And the reason NIN has elemental magic is so that people can use it if they want. Are you really just here to tell everyone NIN is DD onry?

Elemental wheel is for damage output at lvl 40-55~ At these levels it is a great way to do lots of damage and was instrumental in keeping hate on the job to tank effectively. Once you get past 60, it's not worth the gil/inventory to attempt to use it for damage purposes. If you don't like it, that's just to bad, because its the way it is. Want to do magic damage? Go level a mage. Until it is adjusted to not be crap, it's for procs only.

I didn't realize that as soon as you needed to do something, all of your mage friends drop what they're doing and help you. Especially if it COULD be soloed as NIN/DNC. And really, the mule thing shouldn't even be mentioned. If you want to go that route and say you're superior because you have a mule to dual box with, by all means, pay double what I do. People without mules can do all of the same stuff if they learn to play without thinking only one way. NIN/DNC would say you $13 a month; but that's your money. Do with it as you will, just don't think everyone else is doing it wrong by not playing the same as you.

If you make friends with someone, and show them that you are willing to drop what you're doing to go help them, they will do this in return. I know friendship can be a hard concept for some people to understand, but I assure you, that is how it actually works.

[Savlyn]

I'm sorry you can't make friends in an MMO.

If you make friends with someone, and show them that you are willing to drop what you're doing to go help them, they will do this in return. I know friendship can be a hard concept for some people to understand, but I assure you, that is how it actually works.

He knows me so well D: It's amazing how much incredible insight can be gathered about someone's real life from a forum post. I have no friends ._. That's why I'm here. I can't believe all this time... I never knew what friendship was. I'll have to try my hand at it.

Who wants to be my friend? lol

[vixin]

He knows me so well D: It's amazing how much incredible insight can be gathered about someone's real life from a forum post. I have no friends ._. That's why I'm here. I can't believe all this time... I never knew what friendship was. I'll have to try my hand at it.

Who wants to be my friend? lol

I'll be your friend. Btw FF tactics sig i love that game was a master piece ;D

[vixin]

I was dissapointed when SE added lv 80 shurikens that stack to only 12... koga shurikens which stack to 99 and have 8 more base dmg and 10 range attack opposed to 10 range accuracy. SE if you wanted to improve nin shurikens could of at least gave better level ones. /sadface

[Darwena]

I like Ninja99/ChuckNorris49. I dont need to voke cause mobs are paralized all the fight, I dont do Double attack, I do Quintuple atack 100% proc. taking a Brew lower my stat. Seriously you all wrong... Suport job should be /Chucknorris.










Before you answer, I'm kidding hihihi.
But now you mention some suport job:
-NIN/SMN (Carby can follow you)
-NIN/BRD you can sing youre favorite song
-NIN/PUP to entertain ppl in town

Still kidding... yeah sorry I'm not serious tonight. But I remember back in time, before Abyssea and the level caps was 75... NIN/RNG with gun or Suriken happy with sange... I remember also NIN/DRK for tanking in sky... I also remeber NIN/SAM when was time to unlock WS (and was seriously disapointed)... I feel nostalgic now ^^

Today NIN/WAR is mainly what I use now. most situation (even solo NM in tier I and II abyssea). Sometime I use /DNC just cause: the low man setup need me to stun move or I dont want to bother ppl when I farm/skill up parrying (yeah I know, I'm gimp... parrying just at 300 still need to work on it). Sometime I do NIN/BLM or /WHM just for warp/teleport when doing old school qst.

Oh and about elemental wheel today: I still use it when I need to keep hate and need to stop hiting/facing NM. I use the "dont remember the name" potion that boost magic ACC/Attck. I use it also on mob who use spike shield sometime...

Wish12oz: You right about NIN/WAR melee is best for NIN, but they are certain situation that need to adapt toward some other strategy, and the beauty of Ninja: you can adapt you're play for those situation. not always the optimal way, but can be fun to sometime.

[Luvbunny]

That's the beauty of this game, sub jobs are extremely flexible and it's up to us to use them to suit our play style. Certain subs are defacto for certain situations due to many years of testing, there is no questions about those certain subs and moot point trying to be "different". If you wanna tank, keep hate and deal good damage, warrior is one of those defacto sub jobs bar none, stop arguing. Otherwise there are many other sub jobs you can try and experiment for solo play or small groups set up where you don't have to be the main tank, or where you don't have dedicated healer or just want to play it outside the box. This game is extremely flexible and we should be able to play it how we want, as long as we are aware certain situation require you do certain things, and stop trying to argue since those methods have been tried and tested for us. Then again, teamwork and understanding of game mechanics is also something that will help to break the norm and let you play outside the box - hence you should have a few in game friends so you can experiments with different sub jobs.

[Llana_Virren]

Let me tell you all a story:

It was 2003, and I was fighting in a ~Lv.45 party. I was on RDM/war (my combo since the Dunes) and was tragically evened-out on dmg output with one of the WARs in our PT. The only people to out damage me was the 2nd WAR (unless I had to cast more due to an MP inefficient backline).

Cue some drama about how I "don't know how to play my job right" and the weak WAR got leader, and subsequently kicked me from the PT. So, within a year, I became the RDM that silenced the "immune to silence" sky gods, paralyzed the ice-based NMs, and pretty much fixed every fub some bone-headed DD committed by aggroing the wrong mob or forgetting how to keep mobs off the mages.

I also pissed off a lot of other RDM folk because I debuffed the mobs they couldn't (or because they were levelling RDM so they could get into end-game events when no one wanted loldrg, loldrk, or were told their WAR sucked) and didn't want to be shown that RDM can be more than an MP battery.

Now, I have never had anything against melee RDM (I used to be one, after all); and even though it is no longer part of my playstyle, I know that players who use "one subjob onry" are some of the worst and most inefficient players in the game. Why? Because if they can't get a specific setup, they won't do anything... because they only know how to play their job one way.

Now, fast forward to 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011, oh look, here it is in 2012, and as a prett-damned-good WHM, I can tell you that "/blm for D2" is the last thing on any good WHMs mind when it comes to subjobs. Of course, buying a warp cudgel or insta-scroll must be horribly inefficient and inventory-hogging, so I wouldn't expect any of my DDs to have one.

Oh, I forgot, any good mage will have 2-3x the gear a DD will. So when I go 74/80 on inventory and another 15/80 in sack, I don't think anyone here has a leg to stand on when they suggest I go /blm to make their lives easier. Maybe I shouldn't bother casting Stona on a DD who decided not to turn around during a Gaze? Placing high standards on yourself is one thing. But being a jerk who refuses to even entertain the idea of playing a job in an non-contemporary manner is rediculous. It's also uneducated (lol@sub-blm) and that kind of narrow vision is synonemous with the "JP-Onry" LFPs of yore.

I can't blame people who think that way: they simply don't know any better. And while you can educate ignorance, stupid lasts forever.

Just a final thought: "If you want D2, level BLM". Trololol?

[wish12oz]

QUICK bump a thread thats over a month old to try and convince people that the extra MP gained from /sch and /rdm is somehow usefulllll!!!!!!!11one11!!!!1
+1 inventory > more mp when you don't run out of mp anyway.

[Llana_Virren]

QUICK bump a thread thats over a month old to try and convince people that the extra MP gained from /sch and /rdm is somehow usefulllll!!!!!!!11one11!!!!1
+1 inventory > more mp when you don't run out of mp anyway.

Who keeps liking your posts?

And who subs /rdm or /sch for MP, anyway?

[saevel]

Who keeps liking your posts?

And who subs /rdm or /sch for MP, anyway?

Dude you don't know. Its so they can be a ...


Medical Ninja!

They got the cute pink outfit already.